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 @BoomShakaLuka I don't think your thought process is far off point, Boom. It's only a matter of time.

1 year, 6 months ago on Sacramento Kings 121, Phoenix Suns 112 — Bring on the lottery

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 @IowaPhXfan Juvenile yet unsurprising. I guess you expect more of someone after a lengthy debate, but no matter. Fucks given? NONE.

1 year, 6 months ago on Toronto Raptors 98, Phoenix Suns 71 – Crashing down

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 @TySun  It's easy to judge in hindsight, yes... but the point was that Sarver sold off picks we could have used to strengthen the team instead of hamstringing us into the situation we now face. That's all.

 

As I said before, the draft is a lot like Forrest Gump's classic line relating to chocolates. You might get a star, but you might also get a bust. You just never can tell.

1 year, 6 months ago on Toronto Raptors 98, Phoenix Suns 71 – Crashing down

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 @IowaPhXfan Psssh. Another toss in the dirt. C'mon, man. At least give me something to swing at. :/

 

Gordon never really changed his tune. As I said, he used PHX as leverage and nothing more. Him going from a poor but much more promising situation in NO to the craptacular situation we have here? Bwahahahaha! Spare me. Besides, NO stated from the get go they would match any offer. He knew he wasn't going anywhere from the start. Stop trying to pretend his words were anything more than a charade.

 

Johnson was playing well here. There is no reason to think he wouldn't have continued to develop given the talent around him at the time. As for Stoudemire, I've never once suggested he be signed to a max deal. That's your assumption. He obviously felt he was worth one, but that doesn't mean he deserved it. He should have been smarter about things and just signed here. He had a good thing going and instead screwed it. Sarver wasn't keen on overpaying and to that I can understand, but he didn't need to blatantly lowball him either.

 

You put so much into max contracts. It's not a guarantee a player gets one and if an owner overpays just to keep said player, that's on them. As I said before, this league and its players are all about the money. Yes, the new CBA is changing things. We'll see how things pan out from here.

 

Looks like we agree on the tanking issue. Perhaps we can play in the same sandbox after all. LOL

 

Look, let's save the nonsense sports jabs and just say that we disagree in this aspect. While I do appreciate the debate, it does get tiresome. That is in no manner an admission of defeat as there was never a contest to begin with.

1 year, 6 months ago on Toronto Raptors 98, Phoenix Suns 71 – Crashing down

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 @IowaPhXfan What should be shutout is your mouth. Seriously.

 

Have YOU been paying any attention to anything I've said? At least we agree on the Marshall pick. If there's a silver lining to this cloud, that's it. As far as Gordon and that article, he changed his tune and has since stated that he was never really that into PHX. It was and will always be about money. That much is evident.

 

Sarver began the show by spurning Joe Johnson. He followed that by selling off picks that amounted to Luol Deng and Rajon Rondo. He sold off another pick that was Rudy Fernandez. That's two all star level players and a solid rotation guy. He followed that with the atrocious Marion/O'Neal deal and then closed with the Stoudemire mess. So, again, tell me how that hasn't gutted the franchise? I wasn't a fan of Amare for the max nor Nash for the $10M per you've stated. There was no guarantee that Amare would have had further injuries. That's why you play the games. I suppose he leveraged risk over potential reward and came out on top. Still, no guarantee that his woes would have continued had he played on here. As for Nash, he probably would have taken the "home team" discount but it was clear Sarver wanted him gone. I appreciate all he's done here to keep them competitive, but he should have been moved prior to last off season.

 

Regardless of PHX tanking, it's something that should NEVER be done. It's poor sportsmanship, period. If the team just blows despite a solid roster, then that's something else. Purposely constructing a team with the sole purpose of failure is nonsense. At this rate, they'll be drafting somewhere between 5-7. Will they move up? Maybe. With Gortat now out and them potentially holding out Dragic et al, that chance increases somewhat.

 

Go ahead and throw another one into the dirt... because you sure can't seem to find the strike zone.

1 year, 6 months ago on Toronto Raptors 98, Phoenix Suns 71 – Crashing down

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 @IowaPhXfan Didn't know we switched to tennis. Interesting.

 

Could Telfair used language that conveyed the message in a more tactful manner? Sure. However, he's human and reacted honestly to his feelings with regard to the situation. I do believe he was cheated out of his time. Marshall has shown next to nothing. He's certainly not justified being a lottery pick. Garrett is a toss in. He's got talent and can score, but he's unlikely to ever be the number two guy. No matter what you say, Marshall was a waste as far better talent was available with that pick.

 

Funny you should mention Telfair and being a number two or three guy. What the hell do you think Marshall and Garrett are? Telfair is still better than both and got bumped out of the rotation since sitting their lottery pick makes the management look like fools. Then again, they don't have to sit someone for that.

 

Sarver IS about cutting costs. The trade was made to get the pick. Haddadi won't be on the roster long and was merely filler. If this trade had occurred earlier into the season, he would have been cut by now. If you don't believe Sarver to be about cutting costs, I don't know what team you're watching. He's utterly gutted a contender and replaced it with a laughingstock during his ownership tenure. He makes Donald Sterling look like he's giving money away. Sarver's ownership has definitely affected the free agent market and potential players to come here. If they do, it's all about the money since winning isn't realistic. Do you HONESTLY think that Eric Gordon wanted to be here? Hell no. He wanted the money and used PHX's offer to set up the one he got from NO.

 

The team as constructed or even as you've mentioned isn't anywhere close to being a playoff team. While high picks are nice, they often don't pan out. There have been several that were thought to be difference makers... and the only difference they're making is on the bench.. or overseas. That much is truth.

 

Lastly, I, too can see the "big picture" when looking towards the future. The issue with continually playing poorly to get picks sets up a bad precedent and ruins the culture of the team. The team doesn't have hardly ANY talent let alone young talent. Who is at fault for that? Sarver and his merry band of morons.

 

When you try and serve this time, try hitting it over the net.

 

1 year, 6 months ago on Toronto Raptors 98, Phoenix Suns 71 – Crashing down

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 @IowaPhXfan Telfair was a winner last night, that much was clear. He's surely better than Marshall and Haddadi as well.

 

So, what you're saying is we should continue to tank instead of at least trying to win? That's what this is about now? Spare me. I know why they traded him, but it was a bad choice as Telfair was better than either of the two bench guards you referenced.

 

Stockpiling high picks or picks in general is great and all, but it's a moot factor when the team has shown time and again that they haven't a clue as to what should be done with them. Selling them off or trading them to other teams doesn't help THIS team at all. What it helps is Sarver keep costs low since that's all he's interested in.

 

Rebuilding the team? Right. No free agents of any merit want to come here. NONE. You can't do it with young players alone and if you try, it's going to take years upon years before you make any progress if any progress is made at all. This FO is not the same as what they've got in OKC, so quit trying to make it souns as though it's all going to suddenly come together overnight. I don't recall ever hearing your name mentioned as a GM, either. Time to get over yourself.

1 year, 6 months ago on Toronto Raptors 98, Phoenix Suns 71 – Crashing down

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I'm elated that the Suns got their asses kicked. They deserved it, and I'm sure no one relished being a part of it more than Telfair. I'm also glad he spoke his mind rather adamantly about what he felt went down in relation to the trade.

 

What an utter joke this team has become. Time to say goodbye to that other first round pick, too. Looks like the Lakers are going to follow through on Bryant's promise. It never fails that he always seems to find a way to kill the Suns. However, this year it was a team effort... Bryant, the Suns' FO, Sarver, and all the quitters on the Suns' roster.

 

Pathetic.

1 year, 6 months ago on Toronto Raptors 98, Phoenix Suns 71 – Crashing down

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 @john manhole Maybe ol' Sarver should try to hook up with Martha Stewart... as she openly admitted that she'd do precisely what you stated in order to be famous. What a pair those two would make, eh?

1 year, 7 months ago on NBA beer prices: Do the Suns sell the most expensive brews?

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I was somewhat hesitant to stand behind the FO on the O'Neal acquisition, but he's proven to be in far better shape than he was in BOS and has produced for the Suns on the regular. Seeing as how he helped them win against a hated rival and appears to be healthy, it would be nice to see him come back next season. I know that he's got some family issues to attend to that are of the utmost importance, but I do believe that he can be productive here. The training staff has shown time and again just how good they are at revitalizing players who were thought to be through, but JO just keeps on going.

1 year, 7 months ago on Phoenix Suns 105, San Antonio Spurs 101 (OT) — O'Neal takes over

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 @DBreezy  @4everis2long Sadly, you are more correct than many would like to admit. The ownership and FO have turned our proud franchise into a laughingstock with no true signs of turning the situation around.

 

If Gortat, Dudley, and Scola are sent packing, they might as well fold the team. I doubt they would get anything significant in return or to even balance out what we're losing in those three players. PHX will soon become the dumping ground for bad contracts and sub par players.

 

As for Brown, I'm not sure of his contract situation and if/when it becomes fully guaranteed. My guess is that like the others mentioned, he too is moved in the offseason. Johnson will more than likely be brought back on the cheap. I figure that soon all we'll have on our roster are cast off lottery picks who never hit their potential. Beasley and Marshall (and Johnson, maybe) are the posterboys for that.

1 year, 7 months ago on Phoenix Suns 84, Minnesota Timberwolves 83 (OT) -- Winning ugly

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 @4everis2long  I'm sure this isn't what got Brown to re-sign for another year when he could have gone elsewhere. While he's streaky, he's got starter quality in him if given the opportunity. Brown's problem is that he spent too much time behind Kobe and picking up his bad habits. Just because you're a decent shooter as well as quickness and hops doesn't mean you go iso every time you get the ball. The sooner he gets that, the better off he'll be.

 

I feel bad for Dudley, too. We still had something decent when he signed onto another contract. Now, to have your name swirling in rumors and not getting as much run as before? Disheartening, for sure. If they do make a trade, they need to do him the same favor they did for Nash and reward him for being loyal when he could have gone elsewhere.

 

I'm still not entirely sold on Johnson. He was a #6 pick at one time not too long ago, so I hope he's able to put it together and do something with his talent. We've got a former #2 pick on the roster who surprisingly has yet to wash out of the league. Then again, if Kwame Brown is still in the league....

1 year, 7 months ago on Phoenix Suns 84, Minnesota Timberwolves 83 (OT) -- Winning ugly

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 @BoomShakaLuka That wouldn't surprise me, but that's a deplorable "strategy" for sure. For a team to lose intentionally merely to increase their draft position is everything that's wrong with the system as it currently exists. One has to wonder about San Antonio so many moons ago when Tim Duncan was the premier pick in the draft. The same can't be said this year when there's no clear cut/completely above the rest player to be had that makes tanking worth it.

1 year, 7 months ago on Phoenix Suns 84, Minnesota Timberwolves 83 (OT) -- Winning ugly

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I hate to say it, but Shannon Brown is getting screwed here. He is a better player than Johnson at this point and for him to just get benched and not even a sniff of minutes is silly. If the plan was to use Johnson more and not even give Brown some backup burn, why did we hold on to him?

 

What a waste. The FO and dipshit owner are apparently out to alienate the fans and make the players even more resentful than they may already be. 

 

1 year, 7 months ago on Phoenix Suns 84, Minnesota Timberwolves 83 (OT) -- Winning ugly

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 @steppxxxxz I wouldn't exactly call the two Morris twins busts. Both are far better than Marshall who IS a bust, so let's be fair. Though I'm not a fan of the lack of movement on the part of the front office, picking up the other Morris (who was a first round pick) for a likely worthless and unproductive second round pick is a good move.

 

Dragic is good, but he clearly needs more help. Beasley was never that guy and his signing only further illustrates the lack of sense in the FO. If he's not traded this offseason of before the next deadline, I'll be shocked and outraged. Gortat is one I'd keep since he's one of the few bright spots on the team. Yeah, he's bitching and complaining.. but that's because the team sucks and they've done nothing to remedy that. Imagine how bad things would be had they not scooped up Scola on the cheap?

1 year, 7 months ago on Boston Celtics 113, Phoenix Suns 88 -- Another blowout

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 @TySun There's no telling where the Suns will fall at this point, but many have them between four to six on the board. There's still some time left to go until June, and prospects can change dramatically in the span of one game (ask Nerlens Noel).

 

What I'd rather the team not do is draft on "best available". They need to take someone who fills a spot at which they're hurting, and that spot is SG. However, if they could get Tony Bennett from UNLV... that would be just fine with me.

1 year, 7 months ago on Boston Celtics 113, Phoenix Suns 88 -- Another blowout

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 @bkkkkkkkk Hard to make a tasty pie when all the apples in the bushel are rotten.

1 year, 7 months ago on Boston Celtics 113, Phoenix Suns 88 -- Another blowout

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 @BoomShakaLuka  @hawki A FEW more? That's putting it on the light side, don't you think? The Suns are going to be a perennial lottery team as long as Sarver continues to be the owner with Blanks and Babby running the FO.

 

This team is a travesty, and the blood is solely on Sarver's hands. It's time for that idiot to sell the team to someone who wants it and will do what it takes to win, and that means spending money instead of scrimping it.

1 year, 7 months ago on Boston Celtics 113, Phoenix Suns 88 -- Another blowout

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 @4everis2long I know he didn't play up to expectations in MIN, but I, too, would like to see him get more run. He could turn into a really productive guy and perhaps a solid starter at some point if he develops some consistency on his shot. I thought he'd be in the starting spot for sure once word had spread around that Dudley and/or Tucker might be gone. Now that the deadline has passed and both are still around, does Hunter continue giving Wes minutes or does he go back to the pine?

 

As has been established, I've never been a fan of the Marshall pick. It was a waste given the far better talent available at the time; despite that, we're now stuck with him and need to see what he's got. If he progresses along after some run in the summer league, then maybe things will be more positive for him. Garrett is a filler and little else. I know the kid has game, but it seems as though they have no interest in letting him show it. What a shame.

 

Gortat should man up and get to his job of crashing the boards and scoring. Bitching isn't going to solve anything and will only serve to hurt his trade value. I didn't want to see him go to OKC since Perkins wouldn't be a good fit here. Going to ATL for Smith would have been okay, but there was no way that was going to happen. Now, we need him to just get to work and help us win. I do like the guy and know he can easily be a nightly double double producer. The question is, does he even want to?

1 year, 7 months ago on Preview: Boston Celtics (28-26) at Phoenix Suns (18-37)

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 @bkkkkkkkk That's ONLY if the Lakers miss the playoffs, and I don't see that happening. They're not that far out from the last spot.

1 year, 7 months ago on Marcus Morris trade adds another future asset at low cost

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 @4everis2long  @effyewe Beasley can get his own shot but often misses it due to trying too hard to "be the man". His shot selection is often highly questionable as well. A much larger number of shots come from out beyond twenty feet or so for him, and he's best when inside that. To be honest, I'd much rather see him playing down low and using his quickness and leaping ability to take advantage of mismatches.

 

We'll have to see how all this pans out, but I don't think he's going to be totally relegated to the pine. They spent a decent amount of cash on him and expect him to produce. He's fallen out of the rotation somewhat, and changing that will be entirely up to him. If Marcus Morris plays studly and consistently though, Beasley will immediately become expendable. Question is... who bites on him? His reputation isn't the best nor is his ability to stick around with a team for long despite being taken number two overall not that far back.

1 year, 7 months ago on Marcus Morris trade adds another future asset at low cost

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 @DBreezy  I can give you the very best one possible: Chamberlain. Outside of that ringer, there have been several that have been solid rotation players such as Gooden, Hinrich, Vaughn, and a few more. Still, I see your point. Beyond Pierce, few have been little more than a footnote.

1 year, 7 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

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 @john manhole  I see your point given Telfair's numbers as of late, but I think those could be attributed to a severe reduction in PT. I wasn't aware he was doing that poorly or that his deal was of the expiring sort, so I thank you for pointing those out.

 

With relation to my statement on second round picks, I wasn't trying to make a hard truth statement. I realize that the numbers are a bit better than that, but you can never tell what you're going to get in that round. First rounders occasionally slip for one reason or another and some kids are just not as good a player as they think themselves to be, thus they land down there. Is it worth taking a chance? Sometimes. As you pointed out, there are some good finds there, and we've had some good finds of our own. Our luck hasn't been the best of late in either round, but I attribute that to poor talent evaluation by the FO over anything else.

1 year, 7 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

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 @TySun Agreed. Another tweener three wasn't what we needed even if it placates Markieff. I'm also glad they didn't pull anything really stupid, however I wouldn't have been upset in the least had they suckered someone into taking Beasley. Oh well.

1 year, 7 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

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 @BoomShakaLuka Bag of shit, bag of dicks... same, same.

1 year, 7 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

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 @bkkkkkkkk I don't trust Babby one bit. None of the moves that team has made have really been beneficial to us short of acquiring Gortat. Trading away a top five pick would be pretty damn foolish unless you're getting a sure fire return on that pick. I have a feeling we're going to get hosed no matter what is done.

1 year, 7 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

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 @john manhole I don't like it since I felt that Telfair got hosed. He was playing well in his role as a backup and deserved the minutes over Marshall. The only reason he's no longer the number two is because management no longer wanted to be viewed as imbeciles for their lottery pick sitting on the bench despite it being where he belongs. Marshall is terrible and should have stayed in school. It's hard to argue that fact.

 

On the pick, it's a crap shoot. For every one gem you find, you get 25 washouts.

1 year, 7 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

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 @bkkkkkkkk What does that mean? That he's keeping it or he's going to see who he can bleed for it instead? I wouldn't be surprised to see the FO trade away the pick for vets instead of a rookie. This is considered to be a weak draft, too. No telling what happens until the draft comes around.

1 year, 7 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

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 @bkkkkkkkk You might be on to something there. While the old adage of "one man's trash" would fit here, I suspect the Suns would have had to part with one of those picks as you've said. They're hoarding picks even if they end up wasting them as they've had a tendency to do.

1 year, 7 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

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Worthless. I would have much rather seen them send Kendall Marshall. At least Telfair can play D and get the ball in the basket.

1 year, 7 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi

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 @effyewe  I knew there was something with TOR in the works as far as Haddadi was concerned, but I didn't know it was as concrete as you make it sound. I can't say I'm a fan of that deal since Telfair is a far better player and more useful than Haddadi or Mashall, but the FO doesn't seem to realize that. I still believe they should have done more to get Rudy Gay. Sure, he was spendy... but he could have been a perfect fit here. Why can't the Beasley experiment just be over already?

1 year, 7 months ago on Luke Zeller released by Suns to complete Marcus Morris deal

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 @effyewe I'd rather they stretch Markieff to the pivot and play Marcus at the four if it came to that. Leave Beasley at the three and call it good. If Frye were back, that might be different despite me not being a fan of him firing it up every time he gets his hands on it.

1 year, 7 months ago on Luke Zeller released by Suns to complete Marcus Morris deal

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 @bkkkkkkkk Beasley at center? Are you mad? He can barely handle himself at the SF position as it is, and I certainly don't see him managing the pivot. He's got quickness and can shoot, but he doesn't have the height or the size in general. If they're going to trade off Gortat, they'll end up getting a direct replacement to fill his spot. If not, the FO is far stupider than we expect.

 

Hell, I'd rather they start O'Neal over Beasley. At least he's got size and knows the position well.

1 year, 7 months ago on Luke Zeller released by Suns to complete Marcus Morris deal

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Zeller should never have been picked up by the team anyway. The Suns had a chance to get a more well rounded player in Ike Diogu but instead chose Zeller and Garrett instead. What a waste.

1 year, 7 months ago on Luke Zeller released by Suns to complete Marcus Morris deal

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As much as I want this deal to work out for the two of them, I don't see this one making much sense. We're already overloaded at the three, and now they bring in another? Unless the plan is to make room for him by casting off Beasley or Tucker, this move makes no sense. Sure, we got a first rounder out of it for a second round pick, but still.

1 year, 7 months ago on Suns trade rumors: Rockets' Marcus Morris traded to Phoenix

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I'd be upset if the team traded him given that he's far too often been the best player on the floor. I was excited to see the Suns pick him up since his reputation as a hard worker and rebounder was solidified by his consistent play in HOU. However, seeing him languish on this terrible team has been hard to watch.As someone else pointed out, the Suns owe it to him to get him somewhere better for him... but I hope they don't make that move. If they do, what little is left of the wagon will certainly fall apart.

1 year, 7 months ago on To trade or not to trade: Luis Scola

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If the Suns do manage to pry Smith from ATL, there's no way he stays. He'll end up being a short term rental and leave as soon as his contract is up. Stoudemire was a max guy despite the knee injury, and we all know what happened there. Is Smith? I don't think so, and neither do most of the media members. Still, max money his way and he'll take it... but it won't be here in PHX.

1 year, 7 months ago on Josh Smith trade rumors involving Suns crop up again

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The acquisition of Beasley will always be a dubious one and a measure of the talent evaluation of the front office. I wasn't a fan of acquiring him before and I'm not a fan of keeping him now. He's far too inconsistent and his me first attitude is clearly evident in much of his play. Beasley is too reliant on long range jumpshots that rarely go in as opposed to playing to his strengths in the post and out to 18 feet or so: quickness, length, and jumping ability.

 

Beasley should go. Sadly though, we'd be getting back pennies to our dollar since he's not been able to remain in the starting lineup consistently. He's definitely got the talent... but his maturity is severely lacking. I'd hoped for Gentry to be able to bring him along, but we all know what happened there. Is Hunter the man to do it? I doubt it.

1 year, 7 months ago on To trade or not to trade: Michael Beasley

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I'd prefer the Suns to stand pat at this point. It's been a tough season for them and we need to see what, if anything, is worth keeping and what's not. If anything happens, I'd prefer it happen in the off season. I know that it takes talent to get talent in return, but the only two worthwhile players we've got aren't going to fetch the prize we need in order to end the mediocrity. Gortat is a stud and that much is clear. He's pissed about the team not re-signing Nash, but it looks like he's come to accept it and get to the business of doing what he does best: score, board, and swat. Dudley is the core of the team and quietly become a respected and clutch shooter. Though he's not athletic like Gay, he's a solid contributor. He's a consumate pro, so I don't see the trade talk rattling him. That said, now PJ Tucker, another gritty, blue collar player brought in for defensive toughness, is being rumored to be in trade chatter. Why? Why jettison the few good players we have for another team's castoffs?

 

I'm not really high on rebuilding through the draft either and given the lack of success the team has had over the past few, I'm not at all confident that the team will be turned around through it. We need a teardown of the organization from top to bottom, but it's not going to happen as it should. Morris isn't coming along as he should, Marshall was a waste of a lottery pick when better players were available, Johnson is languishing on the pine, and Zeller is... well, not getting off that pine. The last player is troubling given that the Suns had a far better player available in Ike Diogu but chose to give Zeller a spot instead.

 

As for Telfair, I like him. He's earned the backup spot and isn't getting any run since they are giving it all to Marshall instead. If I were Telfair, I'd feel pretty betrayed by the organization and the coach. I realize Marshall was a high pick and they need to evaluate him, but come on.

 

Lastly, the draft picks we're going to get aren't a guarantee of anything. This draft isn't all that filled with impact players, and the pick we have from LA isn't going to pan out as many are hoping. There's no way the Lakers miss the playoffs. So, where does that leave us? Lots of picks... but still relegated to the bottom of the conference with little hope in sight.

1 year, 7 months ago on 4-on-4: Discussing the Phoenix Suns trade rumors

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