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@Jayjaybe It seems like you're dismissing Kyle's conclusion without actually touching how he arrived there. What are your thoughts on the points he made about yards per carry number being inflated by Andrew Luck's spontaneous runs and two backs who are no longer healthy? Or how the run game has been performing since Ballard and Bradshaw went down? Or the 3:2 pass to run play ratio? Or the fact that Donald Brown's big runs (the only thing making our run game look alright over the past 3 games) have come out of passing formations?
8 months, 4 weeks ago on The BP Watch: The Colts Are Not 5-2 "Because They Are Run-First"
It's ridiculous how few people I encounter outside of this blog understand these simple premises despite having watched the games themselves. You've gotta feel a bit like Mugatu from Zoolander. "DOESN'T ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE THIS??? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!!"
Excellent job, by the way, Kyle.
9 months ago on The BP Watch: The Colts Are Not 5-2 "Because They Are Run-First"
@Wpmsd What I'm getting at is that Otto Graham played 4 years in the AAFC, not the NFL. That's where his best statistical years and over half his championships came from; for four years he wasn't playing against the best football players in America. Don't get me wrong, the man is still an all-time great, and he still had a lot of success in the NFL, but his achievements, while obviously significant, aren't of the "holy crap automatic GOAT" variety that some tend to think they are when looked at in context.
9 months ago on How Would One More Super Bowl Win Change the Legacy of Brady, the Mannings and Others
@Goéland @Fondue @DougEngland Yeah, makes me kinda sick, too. There's no doubt that a slight bit of disappointment lingers over the last decade. How could it not? I LOATHE counting Lombardis but change two plays out of thousands (say,Vandy's shank in 05 and we get the ball 1st in OT, followed by Baskett doing his job in 09), and we're one of the all time great dynasties, Peyton undisputed GOAT, and a few more classic Colts in the HOF. But I still wouldn't trade our run for anyone else's, NE included. As Nate once said, when all's said and done what really matters most is the amount of Sundays spent happy. Combine that number with the personalities that went into it and you've got something very special indeed. Go horse (both blue and orange).
9 months, 1 week ago on Hitchhiker's Guide to What Peyton Manning Means to Me
@John O Dwyer Perhaps if today's QBs played in a semi-pro league for almost half of their careers they would have had comparable achievements.
9 months, 1 week ago on How Would One More Super Bowl Win Change the Legacy of Brady, the Mannings and Others
9 months, 2 weeks ago on Hitchhiker's Guide to What Peyton Manning Means to Me
@DougEngland I used to comment a lot more on 18to88 and the wee infancy of CA, before PT school started, but what you wrote, times 10. Seems like you, Pierre, and Goéland (among many others in this, the most passionate and reasonable Colts blog I've ever seen) can actually begin to fathom where I'm coming from in this game. I mean geeze, I'm always going to root for any Indiana team, but this, this is just...different. Peyton is what got me into the entire institution of sports as a high school freshman, what got me away from video games and comic books (not that there's necessarily anything wrong with those things). I'm not going to say he altered the course of my life or anything, but what he (and the rest of those classic Colts) gave me was pretty much irreplaceable. The championship window we have with Luck is huge, and it ain't even really open yet. Barring a catastrophic injury, they're gonna win the division. And then what? In today's NFL you never know, maybe the get hot, but their chances of actually winning it all is still pretty freakin' nil. So suppose we overachieve and lose in the AFC Championship. Will it even matter two years later?
@beacon1950 What a load of crap. Favre struggled at first because he was a young QB, in his first and second seasons. Was it Reggie who caused Favre to throw all those touchdowns and win 3 straight MVPs?
9 months, 2 weeks ago on How Would One More Super Bowl Win Change the Legacy of Brady, the Mannings and Others
@lucktab @Bobman1 That's a pretty lazy line of thought. Obviously the Colts were heavily built around Peyton, but the questions that need to be asked are whether that's a reasonable standard to hold anyone to and whether the fact that the Colts lost means that he played poorly.
Game 1: Peyton leads the team to a would-be game-winning field goal. Vandy shanks it, he never sees the ball again as the D gives up the losing points.
Game 2: Look at the two drives. The second to last one ended with four shots at the goal. One a run to get slightly better position (a reasonable enough move). Another he missed Dallas Clark, I'll give you that. Next play literally nobody was open and the announcers raved about the D coverage that yielded nothing. Fourth down he was sacked in 2 seconds because of a missed block. And on his final drive he hit Clark, who let it go through his hands. So yeah, one of those plays he should have made, but look at all the other crap that happened. Overall still a very good game played.
Game 3: In addition to what Bobman has said, on 3rd and 2 the first down could have easily been made if a) the Colts had a reasonably competent running game, and b) the tight end hadn't forgotten the snap count, getting Peyton sacked immediately after the hike. If you want to cite other players being the reason Peyton should be held more accountable, at least make sure they do their jobs.
Game 4: I have my own bones to pick with Peyton for not going to the run more against this Saints D, but the INT was on Reggie. The throw was fine. If you want to look at a second-by-second breakdown of why that is (from an unbiased Cleveland Browns blog, look no further: http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/2/19/1302008/rufios-playbook-breaking-down
Game 5: When comparing the regular season to any given postseason game, you HAVE to look at what's different. Peyton lost his starting TE, slot receiver, and several pieces of an already sketchy line from what he had during the 2010 season. His best weapon was being covered by the best corner in the league and the run game was completely and utterly futile. Furthermore, the Colts had less possessions to score points and dealt with worse starting field position than in the regular season.
Nate Dunlevy's original site, 18to88.com, taught me to look actually look at the numbers in context, why things are the way they are beyond cliched talking points (a skill that carries over well to most other areas of life, especially politics). How can you possibly say, "oh, well, he's the QB, so it has to be on him" and leave it at that? When you have all the stats, all the play by plays, all the video footage of how things went down, why would you not do everything in your power to use those to make an informed decision? Playoff wins come from everyone doing their jobs when they have to do them. The Colts were typically run all over in the playoffs. More runs mean more time mean less possessions mean less points on both sides, means the offense looks worse and the defense looks better. Peyton also has the worst starting playoff field position of any QB since 1980. Worse starting field position means more yards need to be picked up means points are harder to come by. Then you have to account the many, many other people who need to perform competently. This does not happen equally between teams. Peyton hasn't been perfect in the playoffs (possibly cost us a SB in 03, you can pick out a few other moments here and there), but the bottom line is when dealing with the very small sample size in a situation that deals with a lot of evenly matched teams that consist of 21 other players not even counting STs, it's exceedingly possible for a player's team's record to not be a good representative of how that player actually performed.
@buymymonkey @tim55 Eh, yeah, that interception was stupid and on him. He played very well the rest of the game, but he ended it for them. That doesn't mean that the garbage people wrote about him with the Colts was true (crap performances 02 and 03 notwithstanding, of course). He's still no worse in the playoffs than Brady or Ben or anyone else of this era other than potentially Brees and Warner.
1 year, 6 months ago on Luck Won More than Games this Season
Meh. Peyton had a great O-line until his last 3 seasons. Then the wheels came off completely. But yeah, this unit blows.
1 year, 7 months ago on Daniels: Luck Needs a Better O-Line
@pierrezombie Ah, fair enough. I probably just got pissed because I saw him making the same arguments that I'd seen coming from a lot of explicitly anti-Peyton guys on forums and didn't finish it. For what it's worth, though, I think that a replacement-level QB would have gotten the Colts 6 or so wins.
Good call on the draft analysis. We've been spoiled here.
1 year, 9 months ago on The Once and Future Colt: Slinging It | Articles
@pierrezombie Good to see SOMEONE stand up to Simmons' unsubstantiated BS. I need to start listening to those podcasts!
Here's the article. Barnwell predicted 6-7 wins for a Manning-led 2011 Colts. I never thought he had an agenda, but this was the first article of his I read and it was on a Simmons-produced site so I had my reasons for being a little bit skeptical at first. Pretty sure CA commented on it.
@pierrezombie You know, I was actually predisposed to hate Bill Barnwell the first time I found out about him through his anti-Colt article last year, saying that the Colts would have sucked even if Peyton was there. I didn't think it was delusional at all to believe that they could have had another good season last year with Peyton considering that in 2010 they were really as injured as they'd ever been and still only lost two games that weren't decided by one score. Then there was some article this year where he mentioned that Peyton's 02-09 was the greatest stretch by a QB ever and all of a sudden he was alright by me :P.
Anyway, yeah, that article seemed spot on. Can't wait for that post-bye stretch. The interesting thing will be whether he'd still make that mythical "Top 5 QBs ranking". Really annoying how many elite QBs there are anymore, though some of that may have been inflated from last year's ginormous passing aberration.
@pierrezombie Yeah, at the end of the day, if some benevolent cosmic force asked me if I'd rather Peyton won 1 or multiple rings in Denver (assuming the Colts couldn't win those years), I'd go with multiple, but it'd definitely be bittersweet. I guess I keep rationalizing that with one ring, I can have my cake and eat it too. He'd be up there with Unitas, Brady, and Montana as a force that has to be acknowledged in any GOAT discussion; no matter what he has a STRONG argument, while still being remembered first and foremost as a Colt. Two more would put him in Montana territory, though his legacy is just so strong (look at those numbers in his SB runs) that Peyton would have to play lights out in all those games he'd hypothetically win AND break all of Favre's records to remove all doubt. But he'd also be at least 50% remembered as a Bronco, whether it should be that way or not. Still gotta root for that outcome, but like I said, bittersweet.
And these low amounts of turnovers have come facing the likes of Jay Cutler, Christian Ponder, Adrian Peterson, and Blaine Gabbert... uh oh.
1 year, 9 months ago on Looking Forward: The Colts Need Turnovers | September
I think what I would really need to come to grips with is if Peyton somehow managed to win multiple rings in Denver. Seems like if he wins just one he would still be "ours" in all the history books, but two? I don't think I could bear sharing a significant portion of his legacy :/
1 year, 10 months ago on The Once and Future Colt: Slinging It | Articles
@pierrezombie @Fondue I'd say that it's certainly more likely that a team with a great quarterback is more likely to win a Super Bowl, but the buck stops there. As you've implied before, SO much happens due to chance. We switch Vanderjagt's Steelers game and Vinatieri's 01 postseason and Brady vs. Manning probably isn't so lopsided in the eyes of the press and casual fans, and that result would not have involved either QB playing any differently. In fact, with so many one possession games that went Brady's way during his SB runs, one wrong play by ANY bit role player could have just as easily landed him with zero rings, and lord knows he didn't exactly light the world on fire in most of those games he won (04 postseason excluded). I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but sheesh, gotta vent somewhere, ya know?
@pierrezombie Jeez, I know. That's the damnedest thing. People are either too stupid or too uncomfortable with deviating from the traditional narrative to admit the sheer randomness of it all. Call it football existentialism, but I just can't accept the notion that the amount of rings one has is directly proportional to QB performance. People keep swallowing this bullsh!t about taking Eli over Peyton because "he gives them a better chance", it's ludicrous. Hopefully karma can send Peyton out with another 'ship and all this nonsense can finally end.
Assuming they can consistently get the offense humming like it did in the second halves of Pittsburgh and Houston, and with this defense, what do you think Denver's odds are at a Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years?
@ScottKacsmar Ideally, something showing the strength of defenses that QBs faced in terms of points per drive (which I consider the best way to measure offenses and defenses in a way that the guy on the street understands). For instance, while Brees may have had clearly better statistics (if only by a small but significant margin) than Manning in 08 and 09, but faced worse defenses on average, we could call it a virtual wash statistically and cite Peyton's better 4th Q drive/comeback statistics as a tiebreaker or something. Or whatever would be appropriate, if that measure still favors Brees than I may reconsider one or both of those MVP awards.
1 year, 10 months ago on Following a Legend: Andrew Luck Week 2 vs. Minnesota Vikings | September
@ScottKacsmar Thanks a ton! One last thing: is there any way to see team's difficulty of defenses faced in a given season that goes beyond ppg of all the defenses they played?
Absurdly detailed breakdowns like this (along with the uber-reasonable forum following and willingness to be unabashedly sentimental when need be) are what makes this literally the best sports blog I've ever seen. Good job, Scott.
Also, where do you get those points per drive stats? Do you just count them while watching the game or is there anywhere that keeps track of that? I've been trying to find this for awhile to show Peyton-haters how he'd be putting up even better numbers if his D didn't get run all over all the time and limit possessions, and on the opposite coin, how that D's numbers tend to get inflated because of said limited possessions. Why points per drive for both offense and defense hasn't caught on (at least in a more mainstream environment) is beyond me.
I can't even fathom how people can drop the GOAT, the guy who put your franchise, and even, to a lesser extent, your city, on the map and act like he doesn't exist anymore. It's not like he said "eff you guys, you're not respecting me, I want out." Even as the empire was crumbling around him he STILL wanted to stay and serve us. Broncos are nothing less than my 1b. Colts will always be number 1 and I have no problem rooting for them in any meeting with Denver, but for the time being I'm going out of my way to watch Broncos games, still root for Peyton over Brady in forums, etc.
1 year, 10 months ago on The Football Fan’s False Dichotomy: Rooting For Laundry | September
@RobertItoh @Fondue Thanks a ton!
1 year, 10 months ago on Colts-Vikings Open Thread | September
Anybody know of anywhere to watch the game online? I'm in Cincy unfortunately.
@Nate Dunlevy @naptown_ninja Maybe they're getting run-first O-linemen because they figure that great QBs transcend poor pass-blocking but don't want to get stonewalled for 2 YPC in the playoffs? I dunno, that's the only potential rationale I can come up with. Seems like that'd be a helluva lot of pressure on Luck out of the gate.
2 years, 3 months ago on Truth Telling and The Eternal Optimist | April
@PeyForPlay Sadly, you're probably right (from a big picture, media perspective that is). I think it's unfortunate that despite so often outdueling the opposing QB in a loss, more often than not the team has shot him in the foot. Not that he's been perfect; while he played well in the second Super Bowl, had he known when to run we may have come away with the W. And I don't want to even think about 03. But Brady and Eli and Joe and Ben and Aikman and everyone else has been able to fall back on their teammates far more often then Peyton has, and that's just given them so many more opportunities. Frustrating.
2 years, 3 months ago on The Clutch Enigma: Peyton Manning, Part II | April
@PeyForPlay So basically, when numbers and reality don’t suit the traditional narrative, just scale back all the context and logic to make it fit.
I guess it doesn’t matter that two of Peyton’s game winning/tying drives have ended in shanked kicks? How many times has that happened to Brady? Or that all breakdowns of the pick 6, second by second, including by none other than Steve Young, have shown Wayne being the culprit by running the wrong route on the play (before you argue that, just look at the breakdown at http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/2/19/1302008/rufios-playbook-breaking-down and address something from there). Or that Brady has just as many or more clutch failures as successes (which, incidentally, have never required going all the way to an opponent’s end zone)? Or that Eli essentially did throw the game-losing interception in the Super Bowl only to see it sail through Asante Samuel’s fingers?
There are so many individual downs that go into all of these drives that have so many different individual players bailing guys out or f*cking them over it’s ridiculous. And it's all in an incredibly small sample size. You have to take it on a case by case basis, and when you look at individual games combined with the numbers to back it up, it’s pretty obvious that Peyton is right there with the other guys when it comes to clutchness.
@DougEngland You know, just the other day I was looking for the "crap-if-I-don't-gamble-my-season-on-a-beginning-of-the-third-quarter-onside-kick-this-guy's-going-to-eviscerate-us" category and couldn't find it. Pretty sure they're related.
@RvHauler1 Just about every position was better and healthier in 2011 than 2010 except for quarterback. With Manning, they go 10-6 or better.
2 years, 3 months ago on Don't Be Surprised Part I - What the 2012 Indianapolis Colts Lost | April
@DavidBecker @dmstorm22 Well, I've got to hand it to you, Dave, you got me. While I still don't think Manning was at fault for the interception, you're absolutely right that he should have run it more. As you said, even if the pick 6 doesn't happen, if we score a TD through the pass there's more than likely too much time on the clock. Of course, Manning probably would have resorted to the run the closer we got to the end zone, but we can't just assume that. There was no reason not to run in that situation, and Peyton was wrong for trying to pass it. I don't think that's the reason for most of our playoff losses, and it wasn't the biggest factor in the loss, but it was sure as hell something that has to be accounted for.
I disagree with you on how Brady ended up playing in 5 Super Bowls in 10 years. I think it's more due to having a team that he can continually rely on to carry him when he's ineffective due to weather or just plain sucking. Every single one of his Super Bowl runs has had a game where Brady sucked except for 04, and even that featured a game in which he had to do very little (vs. the Colts) to lead the team to victory. That ability to lean on a stout defense combined with incredible luck is the biggest factor in those Super Bowl wins/appearances.
2 years, 3 months ago on The Clutch Enigma: Peyton Manning, Part I | March
@heavywoody @Nate Dunlevy Before the Saints game, Painter played no worse than Orlovsky. I don't know if that game crushed his confidence for whatever or what, but there was a major difference before and after.
2 years, 3 months ago on Colts reincarnated | Articles
@DavidBecker @dmstorm22 The final drive in 2007, which we've gone into a pretty good amount of detail on, actually wasn't the final drive, though I agree that in that one down Peyton was even able to make a play he didn't make it. In the actual final drive, 4th down he hit Dallas Clark in the hands for a first down on the frantic comeback only to see it sail on through. All Peyton can do is get it there.
2008: The 3 and out was Gjion Robinson's fault. Peyton gained nine yards in his first 2 downs. Because the running game was so awful, they were forced to pass for that final yard on third down. The tight end missed the block completely, letting Manning take a hit from the blind side in less than 3 seconds, not enough time for anything to even open up. If you believe that Manning shouldn't even need third downs, then yeah, I guess it would be his fault there, but those are some pretty lofty expectations.
2009: First of all, I'm going to believe Steve Young over Trent Dilfer. What about the frame-by-frame breakdown? That was just some random Browns blogger, no agenda whatsoever. It's not pulling excuses if it's apparent that the choice he made was logical given the circumstances, and given a completely logical alternative as to who was really at fault. Anyway, we have free access to as much detail on that play as we want. No sense in debating this one any further, we're probably just going to have to agree to disagree.
Also, if you're going to count Brady's clutchness in defeat, it's only right that you count what should have been Manning's game winning drives in 2000 and 2010, erased by an inexcusable shank and a 50-second ST/defense collapse, respectfully.
With regards to not running the ball more, I agree with you that it definitely should have been more of a priority against Pittsburgh. But did you even watch the losses in 99, 04, 08, and 2010? The running game was absolutely disgraceful, getting stonewalled time and again. Peyton wasn't "getting in his own way" most of the time, he was putting the team on his back because that was the only viable offensive strategy they had.
@DavidBecker I'll go game-by-game: 05 Pittsburgh: I'll concede I didn't know a whole lot about football at the time this game was played, but it seemed like Manning had happy feet/nerves most of the game. Except, ironically enough, at the end. Manning didn't have all the time in the world that drive. Vanderjagt was statistically the most accurate kicker in league history, playing at home in a dome trying for a very routine distance. Given that they were playing for OT and had what should have been an easy kick waiting as insurance, can you blame them for wanting to go for the win? If they got to OT, it's very possible the Steelers could win the flip and score right off the bat. Criticize Peyton’s first 3 quarters if you want, but not the 4th.
07 Chargers: This I already gave you. But let's go down-by-down on that goal-line possession. One down was a run. One down was basically forfeited by Ugoh not even touching Merriman, allowing the sack in like 2 seconds before a play was even possible. There was a third down that, going back and looking at old articles with accounts of that game, had literally nobody open. Just coverage played as well as it could possibly be played. That leaves one down, in which Manning DID miss a wide open Dallas Clark. He should have hit him, I'll give you that. But it wasn't some cataclysmic blow to his clutch/choke status either, imo.
08 Chargers: Manning had essentially two possessions in which he failed to score in the fourth quarter. One started at the 21 yard line. While scoring there is not an impossible feat by any means, it’s pretty freaking hard (especially when . Check out this study of expected points based on field position as proof: <http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010/01/expected-points-ep-and-expected-points.html>. The other possession started at the one yard line, and I don’t think anyone could reasonably expect a score from that position.
09 Saints: <http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/2/19/1302008/rufios-playbook-breaking-down>. Read it and let me know if it changes your mind at all. The aim was to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible on a 3-step drop. Peyton can’t just stare down Reggie the whole time, he knows that Reg had a matchup that he should have won. If Reggie doesn’t slip/stop/whatever the hell happened on that possession, then that’s a first down.
Anyway, I’d like to cite 18to88’s old motto here: “It isn’t homerism if you’re right!” I’m all for blaming Manning when it’s his fault. He pretty much cost us a chance at a Super Bowl in 03, after all, and he played like crap against the Titans too. But I feel like the criticism in most of his losses is overblown at best or borders on slander/libel at worst. You wanna get deeper, then go ahead. Hell, I’ll admit that I go back and forth on the Saints Super Bowl sometimes. But rather than excuses, I feel like most of what I’m saying just comes down to logic and reasonable expectations with all context taken into account.
@DavidBecker How many clutch opportunities has Manning had, and how many were his fault? I'll give you 07 Chargers. But I think you're off the mark with the Saints Super Bowl. None other than Steve Young came to the conclusion that Wayne was at fault there. The play has been broken down frame-by-frame both on this site and Rufio's Dog Pound (a Cleveland Browns' site, which was VERY good), if you'd need any kind of reference. And seeing as most (but not all) of his playoff losses came as a result of his team messing up in the clutch, he's had a lot less opportunities to have those game winning drives. If you think I'm wrong and am just being a complete homer about this then let me know, because if any of what I'm saying is wrong then it's better to realize that than live in a hopeless fantasy world.
As for Brady, he's had his share of failures. That 06 Chargers drive was only made possible because what should have been the game-ending the interception he threw was fumbled back to the Pats. With the game still in hand against the Jets in his second-best season ever, he displayed horrific clock management and just looked like a mess. Against the Ravens this year, he completed one pass in the entire fourth quarter, played like complete crap, and still got carried to the win. Welker drop be damned, he still played like crap on those last plays in the Super Bowl this past year. He's been no better than Peyton in the clutch.
2 years, 4 months ago on The Clutch Enigma: Peyton Manning, Part I | March
@dmstorm22 @Kyle Rodriguez Agreed 100%. I don't understand how people could possibly watch that game, with the receivers dropping EIGHT of his passes and fumbling away two other possessions while the running game got stonewalled time and again and conclude that Peyton played all that badly. On the opposite side of that coin, some people say that 06 Ravens was one of the best games he'd ever played. Ludicrous.
@ScottKacsmar All of that compounded by the fact that he played the Ravens on the road in the wet and the Bears in a pit of driving rain and mud. Of course, you also have to account for the fact that the Pats' D was a shell of its former self in the AFCCG, but yeah, people REALLY underestimate just how bad the situations were in Baltimore and Miami. Dunno what happened against KC, though.
See, that's the problem with the eye test though. In the 08 Chargers game, Peyton told the tight end to watch the blitz. The tight end barely laid a hand on him, and Peyton took the sack almost instantly. He can't focus on every minute block that's supposed to be made, he has to trust that he will at least get the minimum time to get rid of the ball (3 seconds). He didn't get three seconds. That's not on him, and Joe Cool and Tom Brady wouldn't have been able to come up with a play either. Anyway, I think you can criticize Peyton for choking (or just playing badly; there's an important distinction) in 99, 00, 02, 03, and 05 (going only your standard of body language), really no worse than any non-Montana QB.
Going on different forums (I know, why bother?), I am absolutely astounded by the lack of critical thinking coming from people who continue to disparage Manning's playoff performances. Being a Colt fan feels like being Atticus Finch defending Tom Robinson or something. The battle's already lost before it begins (though the cause is still noble). They look at 9-10 and the completely contextless 3 TDs and 7 INTs from the Super Bowl run and assume that he was the cause of EVERY SINGLE LOSS. No matter how many facts you throw their way, no matter how many completely reasonable, logical explanations you give for lower point output (less possessions, horrible field position, better defensive opposition), they all uniformly get dismissed as "excuses". Seriously, is there any way to get these articles mainstream once Peyton's career is over and the Tony Kornheisers of the world piss all over him when his legacy comes up? Grantland, ESPN Insider, I don't care, but something has to be done. /rant
He really should have gone to the Niners. He'll make the playoffs with Denver, but his chances of winning it all there are no better, and maybe even worse, than most contenders. I don't care if Eli plays in the NFC, he has two rings already despite playing QB two tiers below Peyton. Pretty disappointed.
2 years, 4 months ago on On Manning, Pride, and Legacies | March
@Pied @Fondue Why would I hate? What makes Tennessee any more hateable than any other team, other than the fact that we play them twice a year? They haven't been a real threat to us since 2003. Even when they WERE threats, it was more just "they're another team we have to go through" than mortal enemies. I hate that their uniforms are ugly as hell, and I hate that despite the fact that they usually play us close, the games we play don't hold my interest as much as other teams, possibly due to the fact that their franchise has little (good) history and possibly due to the
fact that I can't really get into their style of play. My feelings towards Tennessee are lukewarm, no more, no less.
2 years, 4 months ago on The unstoppable force meets the immovable object | Articles
@omahacolt Except Peyton wanted to restructure and stay. Granted we don't know the extent of the restructuring, but something tells me it would have taken a pretty absurd deal to have gotten Irsay to agree.
As long as it's not New England or a division opponent, I want him to go wherever gives him the best chance for a ring. Period.
That said, if he ends up in Tennessee I won't hold it against him. He owned the state for three years in college and has charities there. I don't think it would be a "spite" move like Favre to the Vikes. I also really don't get the TItans hate. Yeah, they knocked us out of the playoffs once, kept us from home field advantage once, and we play them twice a year. So what? It's not like they're usually all that much of a threat or are objectively evil like the Patriots.
@Peyton for President Stopped us from winning the division in 08 despite an equal record. And that was my favorite Colts season of all time, too. Also knocked us out of the playoffs in the 99 playoffs. But yeah, I don't know how anybody can let the mere fact of the shared division create any kind of hate for the Titans. Not like they're cheaters or thugs or anything and if Peyton goes there, no matter how ugly he (or anyone else for that matter) looks in that uniform, they'll be my 1b.
2 years, 4 months ago on Check it to Pancakes Podcast Open Thread - 3/14/2012 | March
Satuday's most likely course of action to retire?
2 years, 4 months ago on Five Reasons The Colts Resigned Reggie Wayne | March
Freakin' A! Good to have another member from the old guard helping serving as a link between the eras. Can only be a good thing for Luck's development.
2 years, 4 months ago on Reggie Wayne Re-Signs On 3-Year Deal | March
Officially no more Brackett, Clark, Addai, Bullitt next year. Probably no more Wayne or Freeney. I sure will love putting my heart and soul into rooting for this random group of strangers next year!
2 years, 4 months ago on The End of the Manning Era | February
@pehoff11 @CurtisMitchum Nobody's blaming Kravitz for Manning being released or reporting the truth from this past week. It's mostly the fact that for years he's spat venom at Dungy, Polian, and Manning using lazy, cliched, untrue arguments because they sell instead of actually doing objective research. Then, after railing against their shortcomings, he'll be super rosy and favorable towards their legacy, acting like there's a huge hole in his heart that they're gone. Guy's a POS.
@GregC Do you guys plan on doing any in-depth speculation on where Manning is likely to end up, or will there be a hard-line approach of Colts football and only Colts football?