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@TySun Yeah Ty I think the Suns generally do not like to play Zone probably because they are a poor rebounding team as it is and playing a zone becomes a problem when suddenly you have to find an opponent to screen off the boards when previous to the shot going up you were in part, just guarding an area on the floor.
1 year, 4 months ago on Preview: Phoenix Suns (21-40) at Sacramento Kings (21-42)
@TySun While I agree Cousins is not very bright, even the most unintelligent baller knows who he has to guard on defense, irrespective of who guards him when he is on offense. There may be a little confusion the 1st or 2nd time down the court but nothing major. I think playing a zone Ty is their best option especially when Scola is out of the game.
I would love to see a Suns victory but I don't expect it. I think their best chance is to play a 2-3 zone defense with the 3 defenders at the bottom to squeeze Cousins.
@BoomShakaLuka Yeah forget the pick and roll Boom with Hamed. There might be a pick but the big fella won't be rolling anywhere on the basketball court. His feet are waaaaaay too slow.
1 year, 4 months ago on Marcin Gortat has sprained foot, out at least 3-4 weeks
@DBreezy I have no clue what they will do DBreezy but I suspect the Suns will lose all of their games until J.O. returns.
The one thing that is clear is that the Suns power forwards have to be the least athletic ones in the league. No hops and no extreme length are a glowing problem for them on defense. Markieff continues to struggle in the low post on offense. We need so much talent I guess it doesn't matter who we draft as long as they can ball (please not another Marshall). I will never understand why Paeyne at Michigan State isn't even listed as a potential draftee at 6'10" great hops, long reach and improving defensive and rebounding skills. I hope he is available with our likely near the end of the 1st round pick and the Suns take him. Actually I think he has underperformed most of his college career which is likely the cause he remains under the radar.
On another note I saw most of the Lakers Hornets game. While my boy Lopez overall played well against Dwight last night in recording a double double, he absolutely fell apart in the 4th quarter. He mishandled 2 passes in the key where he did not score, missed a dunk and had his dunk at the end of the game blocked by Dwight. I doubt New Orleans hit more than one or two field goals in the last 8 minutes of the game. The Lakers really are not playing that great it is just that Utah and Houston are choking.
1 year, 4 months ago on Toronto Raptors 98, Phoenix Suns 71 – Crashing down
@TySun I agree TySun the suns win either way. I have already set my sights on Oladipo or Porter (Georgetown), who could be available 3 through 7. I love Oladipo's motor, defense and athleticism whereas I love Porter's all around game. HE does not have exceptional athleticism but is long and can effectively play both wing positions. He killed Syracuse about a week ago and they are a pretty good defensive team.. Either of these guys or Kentucky's center, Noel, out with a torn ACL, would make for an excellent summer.
1 year, 4 months ago on Preview: Toronto Raptors (23-38) at Phoenix Suns (21-39)
This should be a fun game to watch as Toronto actually has an exciting young team. They had Golden State on the ropes for awhile the other night. The Suns keep winning if Gortat mans up. If he plays soft like he has often this year, the Suns will lose as Amir Johnson is a beast for Toronto on the boards.
@ojai1980 I agree Ojai, he would drive me crazy with how he plays. I do not want my power forward shooting 3 pointers on a regular basis. When he threw the ball away at the end of the game I wanted to strangle him. Let someone else sign the headache for max dollars. Move on Suns.
1 year, 4 months ago on Dispatches from Sloan – The future of the Suns’ training staff
Duke v Univ of Miami at 3pm PST should be a good game today.
1 year, 4 months ago on Phoenix Suns 92, Atlanta Hawks 87 — Newcomers to the rescue
@DBreezy Dbreezy that is funny about the Hawks because I have never respected the front of the team and consequently the players either. While I agree only Dragic today is safe from being traded, a few more good offensive and defensive games from W.Johnson and he may find himself getting a reserve roster spot. I love his defense. Tom Chambers was commenting last night in the post game that Johnson has the tools to be an elite player in the league at the 2 guard. Getting Marcus for a 2nd round draft choice looks like a good deal but I doubt he is untradeable.
The reason I like Marcus Morris and Johnson on the wings is even when their jump shot isn't falling they can defend because they are athletic and play intelligent basketball. I think this is why I like O. Porter from Georgetown and Oladipo because they can score and defend.
I love the tough games against playoff contenders like Portland, San Antonio and Atlanta. It shows the young guns how to channel your emotions to raise your level of play. Man if Johnson and Marcus Morris keep playing like this do the Suns focus on finding a big with their own draft pick instead of a scoring wing? Johnson is really impressive especially on defense. Hopefully he keeps becoming more aggressive offensively. Ojai yeah Nerlens being long and athletic would be nice. I also like Michigan State's Payne especially if we get the Laker's pick in the lottery. Gortat is so frustrating. I hope we can get a 1st round pick for the guy this summer. He is being outplayed by someone 5 years older just about every night.
Dbreezy you got to love it don't you? It is like the Suns playoff run. It gives them a taste of success to make them work harder this summer.
@john manhole @bkkkkkkkk Probably right John about Gentry as he caused me to scream at the TV many nights with his conservative coaching.
1 year, 4 months ago on Phoenix Suns 105, San Antonio Spurs 101 (OT) — O'Neal takes over
@DBreezy I could not agree with ya more DeBreezy. Dragic has to be smarter picking up those fouls against a scrub. I too am not overly concerned with where we draft as it appears we are destined for a top 3-7 spot.
Regarding what will make the Suns a playoff contender, IMO it will take at least two things, a power forward who averages at least 9 boards a game who is better than average in defending the low post and an athletic scoring wing who can defend. While Marcus could be a decent small forward, IMO neither of the twins will ever be an everyday starting power forward because they are probably only 6'8" without exceptional bulk or athleticism. It is easy to see why Markieff gets in foul trouble defending the low post.
With Gortat likely to leave this summer we will also have to secure a decent center. If O'Neal is inked to a 2 year deal we can get a young center to grove over the next two seasons. I am impressed with O'Neal in part due to his health and play but more so because he could have been bought out and moved on to a playoff contender but he chose to stick it out and get more playing time in Phoenix. It is that type of character along with confronting Blanks that in my mind makes you a leader who gives the locker room attitude (chip on their shoulder) and confidence. I did not think much of the summer signing of O'Neal due to his history of injuries but I was dead wrong.
@JohnDevance I think they will trade him John because he will likely leave with nothing in return the following summer.
Best win of the season by far. O'Neal could be worthy of a 2 year contract especially when Gortat leaves this summer. O'Neal looks incredible. I also think Marcus Morris and Wesley Johnson are both very smart players. Wesley J did a really good job defending Parker in the 4th quarter and overtime. The jumper was great but I was more impressed with his defense as the Spurs were in the bonus and he defended without a lot of fouls. They had to put Johnson on Parker in the 4th quarter because Dragic had 5 fouls. Nice coaching tonight Hunter.
Yeah it did not improve our lottery chances but I think there is starting NBA caliber players at picks 1-7 so I am not overly concerned as long as we get a top 7 pick. Confidence and learning how to play in tight games is great experience.
Stone hands Gortat almost blew it when he wasn't ready for Dragic to pass it to him despite the fact he was wide open at the elbow. He must have been thinking about a woman at the time.
Anyway great night Suns.
@bkkkkkkkk Excellent point Bkkkkkkk. Gentry was just too conservative to do anything unconventional like playing 2 7 footers together. Props to Hunter for not being afraid to use whatever talent he has on the bench.
@DBreezy Tonight's game is the one I am afraid to watch. This will be a true SCARY MOVIE.
1 year, 4 months ago on Phoenix Suns 84, Minnesota Timberwolves 83 (OT) -- Winning ugly
@SkyBill40 SkyBill in a way I agree with you that Brown is getting the short end of the stick but he probably realizes he is not part of the big picture for the future. I do not think he is as good a defender and rebounder as Johnson. Whether Johnson is as good a shooter remains to be seen as Brown. I think Brown is having a sub par year shooting.
I think the big problem this issue presents is why would a decent free agent come to the Suns this summer while they are still rebuilding knowing they too could be benched next season so the team can learn what they have in a rookie or second year player. This is a dangerous game to play in totally shutting down Brown. I hope in a couple of weeks they give Brown some time and maybe sit Dudley for a week. It is really tough because Hunter is fighting for a job while auditioning players. They have to make a tough decision on whether to extend Johnson this summer.
@Kevin Zimmerman Kev, I saw him in the summer league and commented on Coro's blog that I thought Garrett was better than Marshall whom I saw a lot of at UNC.
1 year, 4 months ago on Preview: Minnesota Timberwolves (20-33) at Phoenix Suns (18-39)
@IowaPhXfan Great breakdown Iowa. I might not take him with a top 5 pick but if we get the Lakers pick I would consider using it on Payne. Actually the only reason I would not use a top 5 on Payne is because the Suns badly need a scorer and that is the strength of this otherwise suspect draft. However we AGREE this guy can help the Suns a lot. If the Suns got Payne and a scorer in this draft I would be a real happy camper. I could live with Oladipo (excuse spelling) and Payne in the 1st round.
1 year, 4 months ago on Goran Dragic needs help; Suns' lack of deals an NBA trend
I do see something in Garrett to make me believe he can blossom.
I just do not see how Marshall and Markieff can blossom. Clark blossoming, while certainly not guaranteed, was foreseeable because of his physical attributes, i.e., athleticism, 6'10' tall, good perimeter defense and decent handles, all made him a project worth keeping. Marshall and Markief do not do anything particularly well IMO and do not have any outstanding physical attributes. Marshall passing the ball on the perimeter does not make him a good passer.
@IowaPhXfan Iowa, with this being a really weak draft for bigs, I think you are right that he can sneak into the mid 1st round. A week or two ago he wasn't even picked to go in the 2nd round. A lot of so-called experts were down on him because he had so much hype coming out of high school and has not lived up to it.
I get upset every time I think about how the Suns passed on John Henson in the 2012 draft in favor K Marshall. Stupid mistakes like that make 2013 a wasted season so far. We still would have been awful this year but Henson would have gotten quality playing time which would have improved his play. I hope Garrett gets most of the backup point guard minutes so at least we develop someone this year.
Hawk, we are moving on up in the lottery. Check out Payne on Michigan State for a possible late 1st round or 2nd round pick (I think we are out of early 2nd round picks). He has probably underachieved in college but he is starting to ball. 6'10" with 7'4" arm span, good rebounder, excellent hops with a decent stroke.
We simply are not good enough to compete against the Celtics and Spurs junior varsity teams. Keep the spirited practices Hunter, they cannot hurt. These losses do show however we need an athletic power forward with size who can rebound. Beasley, Markieff and Scola are all bad defenders. It also shows we badly need a scorer who can create his own shot and that Garrett has a better upside than lottery pick Marshall.. The sooner we accept these facts, at least internally acknowledge the screwups or the source thereof and plan accordingly, the sooner we can turn this ship around.
Yeah it hurts that we look like the bad news bears of basketball fouling what 3 times on 3 point jump shots but we are a terrible team that needs a face lift. Markieff will never be a starting power forward so let's move on from that experiment.. I am interested if Marcus can be decent at the 3 spot. Dudley is a good role player but really not a starter unless you have a team full of scorers. Hopefully Gortat has a number of good games so his market value will increase this summer. To his credit he really played Duncan tough last night. However he is moving on so let's get something good for him. It is painful but I can live with it if management is learning something.
1 year, 4 months ago on San Antonio Spurs 97, Phoenix Suns 87 -- No small victories
@DBreezy @4everis2long I am not mad at you. When I lived in Sacramento for 3 years I spent numerous weekends in the Bay area. Great place to hang out. It looks like Warriors will have an awesome arena I think next season that will make the Bay area even more attractive for hoops fans.
1 year, 4 months ago on Preview: San Antonio Spurs (44-13) at Phoenix Suns (18-38)
@DBreezy It is pretty funny when teams now look at the Suns as a JV team. The Suns need to earn some respect at least from the standpoint where teams know they will play hard and smart. I do not blame PoP at all. The Suns are pathetic with Gortat playing so soft.
Did you see Payne for Michigan State today against Ohio? I hope the Suns have him on their radar for an early 2nd round pick unless he shows well enough in post season tournaments to warrant a late 1st round pick. I think he had 10 points and 14 boards. He is 6'10" with a 7'4" wingspan with a decent stroke.
@TySun I am a Mclemore, Otto Porter and Oladipo guy. While I like Bennet the couple of recent games I have seen him play he is not that good defensively. Same goes for Shabazz.
1 year, 5 months ago on Boston Celtics 113, Phoenix Suns 88 -- Another blowout
EXACTLY Steppx,Hawki,Boom Boom and Sky. The Suns are a travesty like Skybill said. Losing to Celtics scrubs in Phoenix and listening to the Celtics announcers at half time say the Suns are the worst team in basketball, is disheartening to say the least. I am glad that it appears even Hunter is now of the mindset to play Garrett. Garrett and every point guard in the NBA is better than Marshall. Whoever sold the Suns on that lottery pick should be read their last rights. I wish the league would take over the franchise.
I missed most of the 1st half, did W. Johnson play at least 10 minutes? I did watch the last 6 minutes of the half on the Boston feed. At halftime, Boston announcers said the Suns were the worst team they have seen all year. Ouch
1 year, 5 months ago on Preview: Boston Celtics (28-26) at Phoenix Suns (18-37)
@effyewe I pretty much agree about Beasley being one of the few Suns who can get his own shot. I hope he gets at least 20 minutes a night for the rest of the season. I do not care what they say about the Morris twins, Beasley has far greater upside than either one of them and should play more. IMO neither of the Morris twins is a real NBA starting caliber power forward. The only thing that intrigues me about Morris is whether he can be converted to a legitimate small forward.
Yeah with regards to Marshall, I too can barely stand to watch him. He may be the most do nothing point guard I have ever seen, which is why I begged the Suns not to draft the stiff. If only we had taken John Henson instead.
1 year, 5 months ago on Marcus Morris trade adds another future asset at low cost
I want to continue seeing Wes Johnson get considerable playing time. The guy has really good form on his jump shot and is very athletic. While he can improve his ball handling skills, his confidence should really start growing with more time, making him a fairly valuable commodity. I just want to see him in 30 days after he averages about 25 minutes a night.
Personally I doubt there is any hope for Markieff and his real twin, Kendall but let them play and maybe someone will give us a 2nd round pick for them in the summer. I also wish we can give Garrett some time between now and season end but it probably will not happen. Anyway I hope Dragic continues to shine and Gortat wakes up so he too can be traded this summer. Right now we might not get two Corn Flakes box tops for the guy.
@DBreezy @4everis2long Danny Manning. When you think about it DBreezy, most of them have been a let down.
1 year, 5 months ago on Sebastian Telfair traded to Raptors for Hamed Haddadi
@DBreezy @4everis2long One other thing it is telling me DBreezy is, there are some coaches who do not think much of University of Kansas forwards, at least not recently. All three, Robinson, Morris and Morris have trouble defensively, though Marcus is a better player than the stiff the Suns drafted. Does K. Marshall have a brother we can start scouting?. If he does, I know for a fact he cannot be worse than Kendall.
I am just glad we did not trade any 1st round picks.
@ojai1980 I read somewhere it was the Suns own 2nd round pick. I definitely agree with ya about Gortat killing his value. OKC probably had some interest considering how Miami destroyed them and they lost to Houston last night but Gortat has not shown anything recently.. He looks more like the Polish Sausage than the Polish Hammer.
1 year, 5 months ago on Luke Zeller released by Suns to complete Marcus Morris deal
I would have been even happier with a second round pick or simply a pick for future consideration for Marshall.
@hawki You have got to improve your accuracy Hawk if we are going to count on you. Regarding Wear twins, you know Blanks has marked his calendar for the Pac 10 tournament to get a closer look at them.
On a more serious note, I sure wish we had kept that second round pick yesterday to consider drafting Payne, the power forward from Michigan State. I just have a hunch he is going to be a sleeper. Then again he could be available late in the 2nd round. If the Suns do not make a trade today, I have no idea why they traded for Marcus, other than the fact they could.
1 year, 5 months ago on Golden State Warriors 108, Phoenix Suns 98 – Back to reality
@BoomShakaLuka I said on the other sight, he may be the most do nothing point guard I have ever seen in the NBA.. I still cannot believe last night with about one second left on the 24 second clock, he passed the ball instead of shooting it. the Suns were fooled by statistics in drafting this guy. There are probably 12 unemployed ex-college players who could come in and perform better than Marshall.
@the real shazam Yeah Shazam Gortat looks terrible. If the Suns can get anything of significance for him now I will be surprised. How can the Suns consider buying out the best center on the team? Please Suns do not engage in that type of conduct Suns as IMO it would undermine the spirit of competition in putting your best players on the court instead of in the stands.
Regarding Suns consecutive lottery picks Morris and Marshall, they may be the absolute worst lottery picks that any team has had in back to back seasons. Morris does nothing well and Marshall might be the most do nothing point guard I have ever seen. I hope one of them will be moved tomorrow. Marcus is the better of the twins but neither one IMO is an everyday starter at the 4 spot.
If the Suns buy out J. O'neal, who is actually better than Gortat, what is that telling the fans? Let's hope tomorrow makes sense because we all know we have seen too many senseless moves in recent years.
1 year, 5 months ago on Suns trade rumors: Rockets' Marcus Morris traded to Phoenix
@TySun That is definitely true with regards to the Lakers. If the Lakers make the playoffs, we get Miami's 1st round pick. We only get the Lakers 1st round pick if they do not make the playoffs. I know there is another potential 1st round pick out there but I thought it had to do if Minnesota made the playoffs because the pick is lottery protected. It could be one affiliated with Memphis but I am not familiar with it.
1 year, 5 months ago on Phoenix Suns 102, Portland Trail Blazers 98 -- The dying embers of the fire
@bkkkkkkkk I meant to say "appreciably better" but was sending a text at the same time. At least that is my story and I am sticking to it.
@bkkkkkkkk I think he is better than Marshall. However I understand the Suns playing Marshall because they hope they can trade him or he gets appreciable better substantiating the pick. Since they are not going anywhere soon, Garrett is not a priority today.
Ok I get the idiot award for the day. It was this Suns article by Weisert that talked about Marshall's lack of confidence.
@DBreezy DBreezy, I saw this morning that Coro is lending some credence to the rumor that would net the Suns a 1st round pick, Lamb and Perkins. I could be wrong but without Harden I do not think OKC can beat Miami without another scoring option, which I think Gortat gives them. Who knows if the trigger is pulled but I sure hope the Suns do the deal if OKC is a willing participant.. If the Suns could pick up another 1st round pick and get J. Lamb, I may consider dancing in my underwear and boots in Times Square.
Man, I know you were coming from playing hoops last night and may not have noticed but they said early in the telecast that Dragic had been to Cabo during the allstar break. Considering how well he played, if Cabo can do that for your basketball game, I am booking a trip right now. Dragic was very good last night.
I do not know if Hunter is the coaching answer yet but I do like the fact he can think outside of the box. I have seen him try O'Neal and Gortat together and last night he initially played Wesley Johnson at the 2 spot. Personally I like him there because he will probably have a size advantage over most twos and he has shown he is not afraid to pull up on them to shoot his jumper.
I also saw an article/comments, maybe it was Coro but not certain, talking about how tentative Marshall was last night. They could not have been more accurate as his lack of confidence strangles the offense when he plays like that.
I am going to Cabo immediately after the game to see if I can kick start my bball game. Dragic is a beast tonight. Wow!
1 year, 5 months ago on Preview: Phoenix Suns (17-36) at Portland Trail Blazers (25-28)
Wow who are these guys? Wes Johnson playing the 2 guard looks so much better than Shannon Brown because you get a good shooter without the bonehead plays. He also is a good defender at either wing spot. I do not care if the Suns win I just like Dragic, Johnson and company running and defending at a feverish pace. This is how we grow. Way to be aggressive on both ends Suns.
@DBreezy Yeah I remember your dialogue Dbreezy. Barkley definitely has the backbone to stand up to Sarver.
1 year, 5 months ago on Josh Smith trade rumors involving Suns crop up again
@DBreezy Well said DBreezy. I know we live in a microwave and an ATM society where a lot of people want things right now. Like you said, we need to take our time and build through the draft. We cannot undo the past so in my opinion we need to realize people like Babby and Blanks have contributed to the problem not the solution and they should go elsewhere. It is kind of funny because two or three years ago when Barkley expressed interest in being a GM I thought no way. However after living with Blanks I think Charles would be a major upgrade. If we want to win we have to do it from within.
As I have no doubt the Suns are trying hard to secure Josh Smith because it appears they do not believe in rebuilding through the draft, I have to root for the other teams here. Let another team get him please. J.Smith will not stay with the losing Suns team so why would the Suns want to rent him. I know the three Amigos are finding it difficult to accept they cannot get that highly sought after free agent but this is what happens when a franchise takes a major hit in the court of public opinion and there are no young studs on the roster to offer promise to a potential free agent.
Look I know there are GMs out there smart enough to combine young talent with a veteran or two who is near his prime but I do not think that type of front office talent is in Phoenix. We have to bite the bullet and hope we do well in the draft. I seriously doubt Phoenix will find a shortcut to the playoffs as most really good players do not want to play for the Sarver regime as it currently exist .
I agree with ya DBreezy, I hope this is just propaganda. The last thing I want is a memo from Babby that we gave away the Lakers 1st round pick because there will be no one in draft as good as Smith and sometimes you just have to take a chance when it comes to talent. He will likely add, we are very confident we can come to terms with Smith at the appropriate time. I do not want to see this.
It seems the Suns do things because they can, not because a move is a smart basketball decision. Because I knew Scola and Gortat in the front court would be a bad defensive combination and Scola would not make them a playoff team, I questioned the move in the summer 2012. Putting that aside, yes he should be traded.
Now it is being reported the Suns and Mavs are hot for Josh Smith. The Suns do not understand we need a new engine, not a bunch of parts. If the Suns are giving away the pick from the Lakers or their own to secure Smith, they have truly flipped. Actually I think they flipped awhile ago so this would be a double backwards flip.
1 year, 5 months ago on To trade or not to trade: Luis Scola
@hawki Hawki, Absolutely as she is a top 5 lottery pick. Who cares about losing if she is next to you.
1 year, 5 months ago on To trade or not to trade: Marcin Gortat
Do not get me started again on this issue. This guy should have been traded last summer when he had peak value having just finished playing with Nash. I understand that the Suns and Clyde Drexler thought the Suns had an excellent summer and would be a playoff contender with Gortat in the middle but I said last summer after getting Scola and others, this would not be a playoff team and keeping a center approaching 29 on a lottery team was foolish. Therefore the problem I continue to have is the Suns consistently think they are only a piece or two away from being a good team, which keeps preventing them from rebuilding instead of this so-called transitional phase stuff. We are a mess so let him go if we can get a 1st round pick and or young potential talent in return.
@Rich_Anthony I too like Bennett but I have seen him play twice in the last two or three weeks and his defense and maybe conditioning are making me less impressed. Someone on the board (name escapes me) who I think lives in Vegas expressed doubts about him as well. Their concern seems well founded. I am also slowing my enthusiasm a bit on Shabazz.
1 year, 5 months ago on Los Angeles Lakers 91, Phoenix Suns 85 -- Black unis fall short
@TySun @Sillmarillion Ty very good response. Sillmarillon, the only thing I would add is the team with the worst record has the most lottery ping pong balls, which increases their odds on getting the number one pick.
@Rich_Anthony I too love the game of Victor Oladipo. He is listed at 6'5", has the heart to match his athleticism, has decent handles and can shoot it. I like him better than Beal from last summer's draft who was a lottery pick. Most so-called draft experts have him going mid to late 1st round. Although I could change my mind, I probably would not take him with a top 5 or 6 lottery pick but if the Lakers do not make the playoffs, I definitely would use their late lottery pick on him. You are right he is a freak athlete with discipline, which the Suns badly need.
Regarding Noel, the Suns should definitely be patient with him and not place pressure on him to play too soon. However I think the Suns have pressured players to return too soon in the past, with Amare immediately coming to mind with his first knee surgery. Sarver wants fan excitement and attendance increase in the worst way, so my guess is they will not take him if they have a top 3 or 4 pick. If the Suns are selecting 5 or later they probably take him unless they are really fearful of his injury. I think I would take him if available 5 or later.
Yeah Rich I like McLemore too but I like 6'8" Otto Porter as well. I want to see how both perform in March Madness and pre-draft camps. Both are intelligent scoring wings who can defend. I think Porter is the better defender.
In closing if we could get one of these two or Noel and somehow secure Oladipo in the 1st round, you will find me dancing on someone's roof top.
I am in the camp the Suns have the worst personnel in the NBA, irrespective of their record. While I think every team in the league have two or more promising young players, IMO the Suns do not have anyone under age 25 who is a promising future starter in the NBA. Further I do not think there are any future all-stars on this team.
That is obviously a bad injury for Noel. I thought the upcoming draft was mediocre at best before the injury but he will still be a top 5 pick. I am luke warm about the draft because there seems to be some decent talent available late in the 1st round and early in the second round.Would any of you draft Noel if available to the Suns? If him and McLemore are both available who would you draft? I am taking McLemore and maybe Otto Porter whether Noel is available or not.
@ojai1980 Yeah Ojai how could that happen? While Beasley is playing better under Hunter, no one else is consistently doing so. I have no idea what Hunter is doing.
1 year, 5 months ago on Preview: Phoenix Suns (17-35) at Los Angeles Lakers (24-28)
@Sillmarillion Well Perkins the starting center for championship contender OKC only gets 6 boards a game and averages less than 5 points a game, so absolutely there can be discussions about a young center who is having a good season, though far from perfect. When a young center gets 23 and 10 on any night he is worthy of discussion.
1 year, 5 months ago on Al Jefferson and Gordon Hayward interest Suns, Coro reports
@DBreezy Exactly DBreezy. When some players you draft perform better elsewhere you have to look within.. The Suns have to ask themselves did we not exhibit enough patience with certain players? Why can't we see the potential or lack thereof in players when other teams seem to do a better job of it? Do certain players lack the necessary attributes to be everyday NBA starters? If the Suns are honest with themselves they should entertain these questions. When no other team wants the players you currently have on your roster someone needs to assess whether these players are as talented as the Suns thought they were. A ton of self assessment is necessary in Phoenix.
@IowaPhXfan @john manhole @Rich_Anthony That was my point Iowa, they should have trashed it last summer and traded Gortat. His value is less today than it was in the summer. My sole point regarding Lopez is he is significantly younger and has not reached his prime. He would have been cheaper to keep and would have signed a longer contract if he was the starter. People can question his talent but the Suns will be hard pressed to find someone as good in this summers draft. At $5m/yr he is a very good deal for New Orleans who is rebuilding just like the Suns. The Suns have zero margin for error and cannot waste any potential talent.
@john manhole @Rich_Anthony Hey John we can agree to disagree but I suggest what may be self destructive to you may just be enjoyable dialogue to others. I will add this one last thought in closing, while everything the Suns do is not blatant negligence, most of their work is substandard IMO which has lead to the demise of the organization.
@IowaPhXfan @john manhole @Rich_Anthony Newsflash Iowa, we are not a contending team.. We are a rebuilding team who needs help every where. Why are you assuming facts not in evidence? The fact we are not a contending team is exactly why we should not have kept Gortat last summer.
@john manhole @Rich_Anthony John look at the stats for Lopez the last 10 games and tell me again he is not a top 5 option offensively.. He may also be one of their best defenders. His minutes are increasing every night. Would the Suns still be in the lottery with Lopez and Clark? Absolutely. However we would have a decent center whom we could have signed for 4 years if the Suns wanted to. The point is the future would be better with those guys than with Gortat and Morris. However John you agree with my major point, theSuns should have traded Gortat instead of Lopez. No one said Lopez was an allstar.
No one said Clark is an allstar just that he is better than Morris and they should not have given up on him. He has a higher ceiling than Morris. It does not matter he is the 5th option, who cares? He is better than Morris because he can defend the perimeter and the low post. All you are talking about is offense. He is better than Morris on both sides of ball.
@Rich_Anthony I just went back to check the stats for the year Lopez started when the Suns lost in the WCF to the Lakers. He shot 58% and started 31 games. Any in game comparisons to Gortat were unfair because Lopez was recovering from a herniated disc in his back the majority of the time Gortat was in Phoenix. In fact Gentry confirmed Lopez lost 8 inches in his vertical from the injury. It was only the last half of last season Lopez started making progress in his recovery. Toward the end of the season Lopez started closing more games with Gortat on the bench causing Gortat to claim he needed more minutes. The Suns have to make decisions based on potential not someone's performance while recovering from a herniated disc where they have to receive a steroid injection.
Why you mention the Nash system with regards to the future of Lopez when the Suns knew or strongly suspected he would never play for the Suns again, is a million dollar mystery. It has zero relevance to the Suns situation where they will soon be without a center when Gortat leaves by trade or free agency.
@Rich_Anthony Rich you could not be more wrong. The Suns best stretch of basketball in the past 5 years was approximately 30 games before Lopez was injured and yes with Nash running the team. Lopez was athletic and offered shot blocking to protect the rim. He was the starting center. He also had an evolving back to the basket game that included a 30 point game. They rode him, Nash and Amare to the Western Conference finals. I have no doubt you would have picked him because you did not see his potential just like Sarver, Babby and Blanks. Of course he wanted starter money, yeah a whopping $5m/yr which New Orleans paid him on 3 one year option contracts and he is making their front office look very good. He is absolutely worth his salary as he hasn't even reached his prime, where Gortat has. His shooting percentage and assist numbers look pretty good. In fact over the last 10 games he is shooting about 65%. These type of bonehead moves are what keep teams coming back to the lottery year after year.
If you read my comments carefully, it distinguished Morris and Marshall from Clark and Lopez because in my opinion they do not have significant upside. Patience should be dictated by one's ceiling. IMO Morris as being undersized without great hops will never be an everyday starter, so why be patient. Marshall is only above average in passing, while his athleticism and foot speed (hard to defend with bad foot speed)are suspect which will likely prevent him from being an everyday starter. Generally you do not significantly improve those qualities this late in the game so why be patient. Management cannot be robotic and apply the same principles to everyone. The great GMs figure it out while the interns don't.
If the team had only listened to me and traded Gortat last summer instead of Lopez, we would not have to look for a center. Lopez had a double double tonight with 23 points, 10 boards and 2 blocks. Then again if we had also kept Clark to go with Dragic, we would be pretty decent at 3 out of the 5 starters. Now we need everything but the kitchen sink.
Listen management anytime you have a legitimate 6'10" guy who has hops, had decent ball handling ability and was a good perimeter defender, you have to be patient with the guy. Dudley said recently he wasn't surprised about Clark's improvement because he worked so hard. As for Lopez, the legitimate 7 footer, you saw first hand what he could do before his back injury when he was instrumental in the Suns playoff run to the Western Conference final. Only his back injury caused the delay in his game improving. Now he is playing the best basketball of his life for someone else at a lower salary than you are paying an older Gortat. Someone with a brain needs to start paying attention.
With that said it does not mean be patient with Marshall or Morris as IMO neither has great upside to become a likely NBA starter. If we can get any value back I would trade both of them. Morris is an undersized power forward without exceptional hops which makes him a bad defender in the low post. Marshall has a very limited offense with out exceptional foot speed to strike fear in anyone.
Ok Suns I think you have screwed up enough for a lifetime but do not try and correct this overnight by just getting a big name player who will not make the Suns significantly better. We need an army of players so just take your time and see what if anything you can get for Gortat or Dudley (throw in Beasley) and use the draft. Mclemore and O. Porter (Georgetown) are probably my favorites for the Suns pick. There will be decent bigs available late in the 1st and in the 2nd round.
@DBreezy I am not saying they will overpay only that if they trade assets for a potential summer 2013 free agent, they will be overpaying since they would have divested themselves of likely draft picks. That is why if I am the Suns I am not trading for guys like Jefferson or Smith.
It is one thing to trade for them but how in the heck can this team reasonably expect a player to stay with the Suns when their contract expires. I strongly suspect the Suns will have to overpay someone this summer if they are to remain a Sun. Putting that aside for a moment, It is sad when no team wants the Suns junk parts right now.
If you guys get a chance, watch Georgetown 6'7 forward Otto Porter (probable NBA small forward) tonight. I think they play on ESPN tonight. The guy can score, shoots a good % from the field, defend and is a good passer. I am interested in what some of you think. Suns front office this is my fabricated court order compelling you to watch him subject to sanctions should you disobey. I think he is probably projected to go around 7 or 8 but his stock could soar soon.
1 year, 5 months ago on Oklahoma City 97, Phoenix Suns 69 -- A low of lows
Too many more blowouts like this and Lindsey Hunter will be unemployed this summer. The Lakers will try and kill us tomorrow night. I wish this draft had a likely allstar in it but I have my doubts. I have seen holes in everyone who could possibly go 1 through 6. Anyway right now the Suns simply need a bunch of NBA caliber starting players, so the possibility we will not be getting a future allstar is still much better than what we have. With that said, i have no idea why the Suns are looking at jefferson since he will be a free agent this summer. If they want him just offer him the max in the summer without giving up a 1st.round draft pick.
Other than maybe Dragic we do not have a sure NBA starter on the roster. I am stunned how bad Gortat looks and this is coming from a guy who screamed to the tip of my voice to trade him the last two summers. He looks lost.
Hawki, glad we are in the top 5 category.
I cannot stand to watch this mess any longer. 3 quarters and they cannot score 50 points? The Suns cannot even compete any more.
1 year, 5 months ago on Q&A with DailyThunder: Oklahoma City Thunder (38-12) at Phoenix Suns (17-34)
@hawki I think all we could reasonably expect in a trade for Babby and Blanks is a can of discontinued dog food.
1 year, 5 months ago on Iman Shumpert wanted by Suns, according to NBA trade rumor
Let me get this right, Suns passed on drafting Shumpert so they can get Morris and now they may be considering giving up a player and a 1st round pick to get him, which is on the heels of giving up a 1st round pick to trade away Dragic. I like Shumpert but no thanks if you have to give away a 1st round pick in this years draft that could potentially be a top 15 selection.
Hawki, My man, Kadji is exactly who I was thinking of and yes he IMO would be the perfect 4. A couple of weeks ago Draft.net had him going in the second round. I have seen him twice and he impresses me a lot. Now I can go back to sleep. Thanks Hawk
1 year, 5 months ago on Oklahoma City Thunder 127, Phoenix Suns 96 -- Total annihilation
It seems Gortat looks worse as the season progresses. Maybe he has already checked out.
@PhxSunsFanInLA @4everis2long PhxnlA, help me see the same picture you are watching. What part of Marshall's game has lead you to the opinion he will average 13 points a night in the NBA? Is it his acceleration, quickness, pull up jump shot, cross over dribble or athleticism that has you believing he will be a double double guy in the NBA? I am just curious.
1 year, 5 months ago on Preview: Phoenix Suns (17-33) at Oklahoma City Thunder (37-12)
Ojai, it would be nice as I think he is better that Marshall. The problem as you are no doubt aware is the Suns spent a 1st round pick on Marshall so getting him playing time is a priority. Actually I can barely watch Marshall play as there just is no excitement to his game.
@hawki From what little I remember about the guy, good comparison. Hawki regarding Johnson, man you and Dbreezy know how much I love certain combo guards. I try and look at a guy and determine if he is genuinely selfish (will be a bad point guard) or is simply very competitive (makes it easier to transition his game to pure point guard). I think Johnson is the latter and I would love for the Suns to use a second round pick on him and one on either the Univ of Miami center (name keeps escaping me) or Payne from Michigan State.
I love watching the Lakers lose. Even better is Howard and Kobe continue to feud, now over whether Howard should play hurt. I would be shocked if Howard returns next season which combined with a Lakers lottery pick and the Suns making proper use of it, could make for the PERFECT SUMMER.
1 year, 5 months ago on New Orleans Hornets 93, Phoenix Suns 84 -- Too much Mardi Gras
@DBreezy @4everis2long I received your paragraph in my email. Regarding Burke, I suspect the last thing the Suns want is to draft another point guard. However if he performs really well in March madness and in pre-draft camps I think he has to be an option. With that said my money says they will pass on a point guard in the 1st round. As for Zeller, I do not love the guy primarily because I do not think he is a good defender. However since this probably is not a big man draft, he should not drop out of the lottery. I would be perfectly happy with the Suns drafting two wings in the 1st round. I am hoping Payne from Michigan State or Univ. of Miami center slips to the Suns in the 2nd round..
@DBreezy @4everis2long DBreezy, I really had not noticed that Marshall was so high on himself however seeing that his dad places him on such a high pedestal I guess I should not be surprised.
Regarding the post game of some pretty good point guards, Yeah that is a thought since it might be easier to learn that than to pick up speed and quickness. Although I could be wrong it seems a lot of those guys because of their athleticism and probability they played shooting guard or forward in high school and perhaps college, they had a moderate or decent low post game already. If Marshall ever played SHOOTING guard it was probably an accident.
It is difficult like you said comparing him to Nash because nash could shoot in college and had begun learning to be crafty with the ball allowing him to blow by defenders (noting it took a few years in the NBA to perfect). While Dragic had limitations, he was fast and athletiic. Anyway it will be a painfully SLOW process watching Marshall run the point (please do not let Dragic get hurt). Personally, like IOWA, I think Garrett is and will be a better point guard. I hope he is working hard on his game.
@IowaPhXfan I 100 % agree Trey Burke is probably the best point guard in the draft and does resemble Lillard in Portland. Yeah he can ball. I am so afraid the Suns will once again draft for need instead of available player, that it will cost us to miss out on a potential allstar, if such exist in this draft. As far as johnson goes while he currently is eractic, I love his upside. He was huge in March madness last season.
Under Kerr it seemed we drafted based on potential, i.e., Clark and Lopez and now it is based on need, i.e., Morris and Marshall. Have you seen the senior center in Miami who I think is 6'11"? He was pretty impressive against Duke a couple of weeks ago. Looks like a second rounder to keep on the radar along with Payne at Michigan State. Good stuff.
DBreezy I admit I am clueless about Marshall. I do not like his game but I suspect he is going to be here for awhile, so may as well get use to him. I just have never seen a point guard play 20 minutes and only penetrate once or twice. He needs to develop a skill set if possible to get him in the lane (killer crossover or some type of deception) and get comfortable with it as he may notice this roster is really void of a multitude of players who can get their own shot.
Absolutely Frye is better than Morris. Morris like you said will be a career backup. Let me get off course for a moment and ask if you or any of the fans saw TCU upset Kansas last night? Coach Trent Johnson who went from Nevada Reno to Stanford to now being at TCU has done an excellent job with recruiting and coaching despite the fact they are terrible at the free throw line. They have one or two NBA caliber players, Green (I think is his name) in particular. It was a real impressive victory.
Do you have any idea where Kansas point guard Johnson is projected in the draft? You, Iowa and Hawki seem to pay close attention to the draft boards so I thought I would throw that out there.,not that the Suns will be drafting a point guard this summer unless maybe it is with a 2nd round pick.
I just do not understand a point guard like Marshall who does not penetrate the lane to either score or setup other players. I suspect his physical limitations and confidence have a lot to do with that. All he really does is make perimeter passes. He has a really long way to go. Personally I hope he is traded but I am not optimistic you can even get a 1st round pick for him.
Morris offers little on defense and like Frye, if his shot is not falling he is basically useless. We need a young, tall athletic power forward in the worse way. Then after Gortat leaves we will need a center too. Therefore other than losing Clark and Lopez I am not sure what we have accomplished recently. Maybe securing a likely top 5 lottery pick which we probably would have gotten if they both stayed as there are a lot of holes on this roster.
Anyway enough griping. Beasley and Dragic do seem more comfortable playing under Hunter. Whether that equates with a permanent hire remains the million dollar question.
Yeah PhxSunsFan and Bk, I agree with both of you. The fans and the coach did not appreciate Lopez and the previous coach preferred using Gortat. Lopez just like Earl Clark are proving to being good players elsewhere while we will lose Gortat and we do not have a power forward who is getting 4 or 5 consecutive games getting double doubles. We could easily have Dragic, Lopez and Clark for low salaries and all three having nice upsides. I begged for the Suns to trade Gortat last summer and keep Lopez but they obviously had better plans.
On another note it is probably just me but I cannot stand to watch Marshall play. He primarily just passes around the perimeter and seldom or almost never penetrates the lane to make something happen. He kind of reminds me of the basketball version of Tim Tebow. I hope he proves me wrong and shows he is a good point guard. I wish we could trade him but there are not too many front offices like the one in Phoenix.
1 year, 5 months ago on Preview: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at New Orleans Hornets (15-33)
Tell me again why we kept Gortat at $7m/yr and traded a 4 years younger Lopez who agreed to a $5m.yr deal for essentially 3 one year option contracts with New Orleans.
I missed the 1st half but I was sure glad to see the Suns play the second half with a lot of heart. They got Marshall some quality minutes and for once we have a coach not afraid to play his two bigs together. Dragic was huge in the 4th quarter. Glad to see Marshall hit a few set shots for his confidence. On the other hand he is really boring to watch as he never penetrates the lane. However maybe it will improve with more playing time.
1 year, 5 months ago on Phoenix Suns 96, Memphis Grizzlies 90 – Two point guards, one win