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@revafriedel A.) This rumor was proven to be false. We should stick with facts.
B.) Even if were true it doesn't condone bad conduct toward opposing fans and doesn't nullify the young lady's point.
C.) Lastly, to spout back with a story that, if it were by chance true, would. Also be inappropriate belies an attitude that doesn't further the discussion constructively, but provokes it by attacking schools and people rather than the problem. No one ever said the problem was limited to Miami and/or Duke. And your Belief that the fans of her school are not "exemplary" does not dsqualify her from being justified and correct to bring it to light. Neither does her opinion of the affirmative or the negative.
1 year, 9 months ago on A Duke fan did not enjoy her experience at last week's Miami game | January | 2013
@kmart93 @AlexSherron Excellent. All the more reason for you to be supportive then. Reading this article on it's own without the background information about her being from Duke wouldn't yield that. Frankly, if all she showed was a little condescension then she may have shown good restraint here. We don't know everything that happened, and we don't know this person. We should be giving people the benefit of the doubt, not "taking them to task" on issues this important. Whether you can to hold to your opinion of her condescension or not that doesn't make her a stereotypical Duke Fan. It makes her a human being. Granted I guarantee she's imperfect, but yet still able to deliver a message that is important and one that we should be listening to. It's the same in politics. We get so busy attacking people and not messages that we miss the big picture. Condescending people have a right to watch a game without the threat of violence to. Even, dare I say, a condescending Duke fan. Yikes.
@kmart93 @AlexSherron The fact that this student is presented as a pretentious brat for being intelligent in the way she presented the situation just speaks even worse of the situation. It doesn't matter if there were any "lines" crossed. The point is, we should be defining the lines! The important conversation to be had in sports culture and the opportunity for this author would have been to discuss the lines! Where is the line? How have we as a sports culture made it a habit to expect opposing fans to cross the line and how we often condone it or ignore it. That's the truth, that's an article I can respect.
There is nothing pretentious about what the woman said. She clearly laid out what happened in the situation. Frankly, some of the folks on this web site should take note. When did becoming intelligent make you the object of ridicule? She's a medical student, that's how they talk. I want my medical students to talk precisely in that way because I may have to trust them with my life one day! Let's not make sports a no intelligence zone. The author jumped on this "pretentious" bandwagon because it's a stereotype of Duke fans. It's stereotyping, plain and simple. And frankly when we start stereotyping people based on where they come from or what they school they attend(ed) we begin to miss the content of their message, and the bigger picture overall. The comments on this article are a perfect example. It's taken a conversation that's vitally important to have in this era and culture and turned it into a "rag on the pretentious Duke fan!" Really? Is that who we are now? We do quick hits making fun of people who we see as different than us or have stereotyped into a box WE created for them, rather than taking the time to think through how we can really solve issues. It's of poor taste. There are some things we can all laugh at, but when people are being hurt and violence is getting worse then the joke is over. Unless the author wants to make fun of her for her high SAT or working at a children's hospital next? "Oh the horrible pretentious institutions that instruct these people. Oh those horrible pretentious doctors whose precise mode of talking and acting keeps us alive when we need them for surgery. But how dare they expect to go to a sporting event. If they want to be that precise they should just stay home." C'mon, really? None of us know this person and we've pigeonholed her based on where she went to school, and her IQ level at the expense of an issue that is not funny at all.
You can be picky about your details. You can play the "we don't have all the facts in this case game" and I agree, we don't. I'm not condemning Miami, and I'm not judging guilt or innocence here. Neither am I absolving Duke fans from that kind of behavior because I, frankly, don't know what goes on there either. However, what I do know is that a man was critically hurt and almost died after a SF Giants - LA Dodgers game, and there are numerous reports of fights after NFL games etc. Just do your research it's everywhere. The days of making light of this should be over. When our allegiance to a team overwhelms our responsibility for human decency for folks who may not be as emotionally invested in a sport then we have a society have degraded severely. Unfortunately, our society is already there, just look at the lack of ability to keep human decency in folks who have different views on politics, religion or anything. It shouldn't surprise us then that we can't be civil as sporting events either. It's even worse to condone it and belittle a University and an individual who tries to call attention to it.
Again you can pick at your details about exactly what she said, whether she's scared or not and whether she was actually mistreated by Miami fans on that night. But I'll tell you this, looking at the big picture you can't disagree, it's not good. I won't be taking my children to sporting events away from home and it's unfortunate. I should be able to give them the cool experience even if it's in a hostile environment, however that can't happen anymore. The point is, even if what the young lady said isn't entirely true and even if she wrote it to a group of loving Blue Devils, no one should be making light of it and certainly not bringing in social stereotypes about Duke. It's very callous, much like our sports culture has become.
And that's unfortunate, because there are some of us who do love it, but love it for the entertainment value of the game not the need to belittle and potentially harm others who may have a different rooting interest. Those folks are now watching at home.
Here's a link to the USA Today story regarding the poor man who was brutally attacked for wearing the "wrong hat" to a baseball game.
Yeah, the author of this horrible post is definitely right and this poor baseball fan is just a whiny baby too. If that's the case, I want to be lumped in with the whiny babies and stay as far away from the callous and coarse society we are turning into.
@AlexSherron Although only slightly less classless there is clear distinction between the chants directed at PARTICIPANTS of the game and bystanders as fans. Fans pay to watch, and shouldn't be subjected to the kind of treatment in this article or what is posted at this link. Not everyone shares the same level of fanaticism. Some folks enjoy wearing the colors of their team without the intense fanaticism. They shouldn't feel scared to go watch them in person because of the abuse they will take on the part of other bystanders. That's just a degradation of our human character completely. It's ridiculous.
1 year, 10 months ago on A Duke fan did not enjoy her experience at last week's Miami game | January | 2013
The fact that as a society we now advise people to EXPECT to be treated with hostility over the color of their shirts and the allegiance of their rooting interest shows just how degraded our society is. The point isn't whether the student is a Duke fan, or another po-dunk university from no where. The fact that this author and, frankly, our sports society as a whole condones this sort of behavior towards rival fans is why we have the incidents such as the one at the Dodgers-SF Giants game last year. It's ignorant to heckle fans. Chear for your team and let them chear for their team. It's why families can no longer attend sporting events.
Honestly? Chalking this up to a Duke person's reputation is irresponsible and borderline bigoted. There are fathers out there everywhere who would agree with this young lady. Perhaps this lady isn't a "Cameron Crazy" perhaps she's just a "casual" fan who likes to see her team play. She shouldn't have to be afraid to sit with her own classmates in the Miami crowd just because she isn't going to root for the same team. This isn't a testament on Miami, as I know it happens everywhere (and surely at Duke as well) but it's a sad commentary on worthless fanaticism of sport that overwhelms our regard for human decency.
I appreciate the fan bringing it up and feel bad the fact she goes to Duke causes her to get painted with a brush because of the preconceived notions people have of Duke fans. The writer should feel ashamed that the much more important point of the woman's article was missed in favor of writing a hit piece on Duke's reputation of complacency. Probably gets the site more hits, but isn't doing anything for character and reputation and self regard for our neighbor.