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Lets see 311 murders, 65 using
firearm in 1996 65/311 = 20.9%
Lets see 244 murders, 44 using firearm in 2011
40/244 = 16.39%
Amazing how when one digs into the
details, the ACTUAL TREND for reduction in killings using a firearm is rather
Yet the number of assaults with
weapons keeps rising, hmmmm. Sure appears that the level of violence isnt being
reduced, but just luck of the draw some of those arent killings, so sad.
Oh and as noted in GOVT. and
recorded history, there was indeed a NASTY gang war going on in the 1980's to
early 2000's. Has that ended matey, oh yes, it has hasnt it.
Oh whats this page #31,Homicide in
Australia: 2007–08 National Homicide Monitoring Program annual report
"............. The majority of
firearms used in homicides were unregistered and/or unlicensed" hmmm, such
a consistent trend all over the world that the bad guys dont obey the law to
All the while also refusing to
acknowledge the effect of the baby boomers age subgroup as it affects crime rates.
Geez, the Aussies had the Baby Boomers (born 1947-1964) also didn’t you, yeah
Criminologists the world over all
agree the most active criminal ages are 15-24 and 25-34, then the criminal
activity declines the older a subgroup gets. Amazing how that actually mirrors
identically the trend in murders DECREASING, a trend that Australian government
shows began occurring back in the mid 1980's and continues to this day. Not to
mention the ending of those gang turf battles.
Hence yet again, no valid proof
that gun control had anything relevant to causing that reduction in murders., a
near 42% drop in actual murders using a firearm in the US versus a 39% drop in
murders using a firearm in Australia.
Uh dude, there is no statistical difference
is there, geez shuckey darn!
Yet again proof that less firearms doesn’t equal
less violence, much less more guns equal more violence BS.
2 weeks, 5 days ago on
By the way, what is a country, with gun bans suicide rate vs the US?
Australia has 1/100th of our firearms, so they should have 1/100th of our
suicide rate, uh dude, their 2010 suicide rate is 11.14 per 100k people.
What about murders, lets compare that as well.
1996 Australia 1.7 murders per 100k people 2011 1.08 murders per 100k
people a -36.5% reduction
1996 US 7.4 murders per 100k people 2011 4.7 murders per 100k people a
How is it again, that a country with a 42% increase in civilian firearm
ownership and 100 times more firearms in law abiding civilian hands than
Australia, have the same reduction in murders as they did?
Now if one breaks it down into weapons used if you take and look at the
normal trend, one see's Australia reduction in murder by illegal use of
firearms only reduced -4.41% from 1996 to 2011, the US from 1996 to 2011 was
Oh wait, you forgot to mention the
increases in weapons being used to commit murders or VIOLENT CRIME which the
Australian government acknowledges in their reports, and reflect that indeed as
noted, more WEAPONS and more KNIVES are being used to commit a crime REPLACING
the use of a firearm.
But hey dont let govt. FACTS get in the way of your
fantasy. Since you already have a functioning link to the Australian crime
database, you can try and refute their data again!
"A Transcript of the Police
Interview With Martin Bryant" http : // loveforlife . com . au / content /
07 / 10 / 30 / transcript-police-interview-martin-bryant
Funny, how even before 1996, you
needed a LICENSE to purchase a firearm, yet the Port Arthur killer didnt have
one, yet that is somehow the LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS FAULT AGAIN EH?
So without the Port Arthur killings
using a firearm only 65 occurred in 1996, which was 40 in 2011, wow thats
Geez, didnt the Port Author
killings occur in 1996 making a spike in their killings, yeah it did.
So is it
a true reflection upon normal crime trends to add that anomaly/spike into the
trends as a rational comparison to see what effect a law had on a result, no it
See that is where the gun banners
like to use % to look impressive and quote the % of firearms used in murders
has dropped SO DRAMATICALLy.
England -rates per 100k
1898 1.0 murder rate no
1997 1.3 murder rate,
strict gun control implemented, 820 VCR
2011 1.0 murder rate
1,5867 VCR, murders have reduced to 1993 levels after a 25% increase.
Office UK) http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/historical-crime-data/?view=Standard&pubID=1056123
murders have always been low, not due to gun control, and strict gun control
didn’t reduce the murders, much less the violence, such a consistent trend in
gun ban countries.
Lets compare England to US 2011(rate fallen/risen since 1991)
England 987,666 Violent Crime / 63,181,775 x 100,000 =
1,583.21 per 100k (78.67%)
US 1,203, 506 Violent Crime /311,591,917 X 100,000 =383.6 per 100k (-49.04%)
England 818,301 Assault / 63,181,775 x 100,000 = 1,295.15
per 100k (-36.15%)
US 751,131 Assault /311,591,917 X 100,000 = 241.06 per 100k (-44.36%)
England 77,684 Robbery / 63,181,775 x 100,000 = 122.95 per
US 354,396 Robbery /311,591,917 X 100,000 =113.73 per 100k (-58.31%)
England 54,919 Rape / 63,181,775 x 100,000 = 86.92 per 100k (2.23%)
US 83,425 Rape /311,591,917 X 100,000 = 26.77 per 100k (-36.59%)
England 638 murder / 63,181,775 x 100,000 = 1.01 per 100k (-30.9%)
US 14,612 Murder /311,591,917 X 100,000 = 4.69 per 100k (-31.1%)
England 60 Murder w gun / 63,181,775 x 100,000 = .095 per 100k (114%)
US 9,982 Murder w gun /311,591,917 X 100,000 = 3.17 per 100k (-52.51%)
Now the real problem irving has is showing how little
Englands violent crime rates have fallen during their gun ban years, vs the US
which has added 42% more firearms in law abiding civilians hands, but whose
violent crime has fallen.
Man how is it that England, with 1/200th of our civilian
owned firearms, can’t reduce their violent crime like the US did during the
same time frame, while the US added another 42% in guns in law abiding
So much for less guns in law abiding civilians hands = less
So much for more guns in law abiding civilians hands = more
FBI UCR & CDC in 1991 24,700 murders, consistent % where firearms used is
67.8% =16,747 murders by illegal use of firearm, 15,383 suicides by firearms,
657 justifiable homicides, 1,463 accidental firearms deaths =34,250 deaths
where firearms were used
14,612 murders 67.7% used a firearm = 9,892, 591 justifiable homicides, 835
accidental deaths, 19,766 suicides = 31,084 deaths where a firearm was used.
Since 1991 to 2011, that is a reduction in…..
Totals / Rate
Crime -37.04% / -49.04%
w gun -41.31% / -52.51%
-21.73% / -36.59%
-48.47% / -58.31%
Accidental deaths -41.9% / -52.14%
Amazing how those are the highest total
reductions of ANY country in the world during that time!
So explain again how since 1991 there
has been a 42% increase in firearms in civilian hands there hasn’t been a 42%
increase in violence or suicide?
1991 suicide rate 12.2 per 100k people,
if increased by 42% = 17.3 per 100k people
2010 suicide rate 11.9 per 100k people
Oh darn, here is just a sample of the countries, all of whom
have strict gun control, and their murder rates by illegal use of a gun, care
to do the 206 countries in the following link?
Rate per 100k people
El Salvador 39.9
South Africa 17
Dominican Republic 16.3
Based only on reported justifiable homicides…
Rate of violent crime reported involving a gun 26.8
(1990-2012 FBI UCR)
11,474,391 defensive gun uses (avg.per year 220,661)
35,368,382 people defended (avg. per year 680,161)
1,131,788 murders prevented (avg. per year 21,765)
6,507,782 injuries prevented (avg. per year, 125,149)
Oh wait, based on just FBI DATA we are UNDERCOUNTING how
many murder and injuries are prevented…hmmm!
Cost saved by law abiding civilians armed self defense!
Jens Ludwig, an avid anti gun professor claimed gun
violence cost the US $100 Billion a year in 2000 report using the
whack-a-loons logic of basing their stimation on how much the public
would be willing to pay to eliminate gun violence at 100
million households, or $1,000 dollars apiece, how stupid can one be, well
guess the anti gunturds do continually demonstrated how stupid they truly
Since these quacks can’t disprove that the 97.3% of
killings are by career criminals, gang members, suicider and doemstic
violence abusers, it is safe to assume that the massive costs to the public
are the direct result of criminal acts.
Yet all he and the CDC proposes affects the law abiding,
such is the circle jerk of their illogic to blame all that on the law
abiding gun owners to begin with, how rude and uncivil.
Now lets look at what the PHANTOM average cost is as
referenced in Ludwig’s interesting one sided biased study.
Now lets put more realistic $ numbers to the equation. So
assuming emergency room care for each death and lost income of one year at
$63,600, we can calculate approximately how much law abiding civilians
have saved the public since 1960.
So assuming emergency room care for each injury and
ongoing health care afterwards, but no data on how to add in lost wages
(avg. age dependent to each incident), will leave that out for the moment
Law abiding civilians
Murders Prevented: 1,131,788 = $2,087,275,125,883 saved
Injuries prevented: 6,507,782 = $1,067,305,771,958 saved
Criminals/gangs/crazies/domestic violence abusers
Murders: 482,794 = $859,307,807,299 cost incurred on public
Injuries: 2,896,762 = $120,532,214,103 cost incurred on
Suicide by illegal use of a gun
Deaths: 372,584 = $2,743,319,039 cost incurred to public
Injuries: 37,258 = $274,331,094 cost incurred to public
Accidental Firearm Discharge
Deaths: 54,019 = $$657,003,517 cost incurred to public
Injuries: 100,313 = $1,220,055,532 cost incurred to public
Benefit to public
Injuries prevented: 7,639,570 = $3,154,580, 897,842
Cost to public by criminals/suicides/accidents
Injuries: 3,943,730 = $984,734,731,394
So law abiding gun owners provided a cost benefit to
the public of
+$3,154,580,897,842 Self defense saves lives cost
-$984,734,731,934Bad guys cost
Trillion dollars cost benefit to the public of law abiding gun owners self
Amazing how law abiding
armed self defense prevented murders and injuries that double the number
of people killed and injured by career criminals, gang members, suiciders,
crazies, domestic violence abusers and accidental deaths.
Lets see the video of a gun loading, aiming and firing itself, oh wait, only the insane believe that, go see a shrink sunshine!
Cras are registered for tax purposes alone and are not an affirmed right, another epic fail by a crazy lefty!
Do I need
the governments permission to buy a car? No.
Do I need
to buy the car from only certain people with licenses to sell cars? No.
Can I buy
as many cars as I want each week/month/year. Yes
Can I buy
small cars, big cars, slow cars, fast cars, cars that look dangerous? Yes
Can I buy
Hummers virtually like the troops use? Yes.
Do I have
to wait from 5 to 15 days to pick up my car. No
traded in one car for a newer model do I still have to wait five to ten days to
pick the new one up. No
modify my car to allow more fuel, more performance, or better cornering. Yes
have to turn over to the government without compensation some models of
automobiles that might be banned years after I buy them. No
Do I need
a license to buy a car? No
Can I buy
a car at age 16? Yes.
driving lessons mandated in most high schools? Yes
Can I buy
a car from anyone in any state? Yes.
sell my car to anyone in any state? Yes
convicted felons buy, own or drive a car. Yes
places (e.g. NYC or New Jersey) would I first need a permit to buy from the
police department which sometimes takes up to 2 years to obtain. No
cities (e.g. Washington D.C.) would I have to store your car partially
Do I need
to register a car that I own? No (as long as I keep it on my own property)
Do I need
a background check or waiting period to buy a car? No
Is my car
held responsible if I misuse it? No
failure to register my car be a federal felony (prevents me from owning another
Do I need
to "safe store" my car even though many are stolen and used for
criminal purposes? No
lose my driver's license if I violate the law with my car? Most likely not
legally drive my car into any state/city in the nation with every jurisdiction
honoring my registration/license? Yes
go on? Or do you really, really want to treat guns like cars?