@zz Did you remove your other comment? I see 10 here, but the last one you posted seems to have disappeared.
@EdBeighe Many avid riders in the transportation community know the difference between the two, but it's common to call what is technically a striped shoulder a bike lane for the sake of understanding.
I know it drives some of the people who are really knowledgeable in the area nuts.
Thanks for the link. The striped should ends about two-three blocks before the intersection. There has never been one that has extended beyond that.
Confident riders will know that the safest thing to do in that situation is to take the lane, but most people are not confident riders. Most people the shoulder and get up on the sidewalk or hug the curb.
@Hurri47 Yep. Being comfortable asserting your right to be there and taking the lane is the best way to get through places like that.
I do it all the time off on Limberlost heading east from First. It's too narrow for a bike and car, but motorists will try to squeeze through anyway.
Ironically, she decided she wanted to ride the CETMA today because she was tired. Our plan is to go to splash pad that is near her school and then ride home in our bathing suits.
Surprised Lemmon isn't mentioned!
If I hadn't included it, do you think there would have been other people asking whether or not her was wearing one? Of course there would have been. It's relevant in that many in the community I serve is interested in whether he were wearing a helment.
You are correct that it should not be relavant in the courts and you make a good argument about it not being a law to wear a helmet like a seatbelt so therefore it shouldn't be included, but ultimately it is my job to provide people with as much information as possible.
I'd be more than happy to publish a guest opinion on the subject if you care to write one.
Thanks for reading.
@Red Star Thanks. Was going to post about him being a Sun Tran driver, but wanted to get his name first.
@Jason777111 Well I don't know where you are going then! Kidding. I fixed it. Thanks for pointing it out!
@3wheeler @Red Star I'd also just say bicyclists were told by the streetcar team that they would use the block rail. We know what happened there. They were told that the Warren underpass would be open for bicyclists. We know what is happening there. They were told that the route would incorporate lots of safety aspects for cyclists along the streetcar route, which happened to be one of the most popular bike routes in the city. What do you think the people who are crashing on the tracks think of the safety treatments?
Clearly the streetcar team and the county are different entities, but I don't think there is a lot of trust between government officials and bicyclists right now.
I can understand why people are skeptical especially given what Carolyn Campbell and Zach MacDonald said regarding the county approaching them with one route and one route only.
@EI keep coming back to the idea of what is safest for all involved. As many have pointed out, technically even one cyclist out there would make it illegal to pass on a double yellow line.
More importantly, though, I can't get over the fact that I think it is safer for everyone to pack up than ride two-by-two. It's got to be easier for a motorist to pass a group bunched up vs. a group stretched out for a mile.
I know what the law says, but that doesn't mean it's the safest thing to do and doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed.
@Red Star Apparently it wasn't clear enough. At 11-12 feet you can't separate bikes and peds instead it has to be a shared use path similar to The Loop system. They say the ramps and the number of people biking and walking make it unsafe.
As Johnson points out it might be more about risk management than actual safety.
@Orvis Yeah I've got it. Josh emailed me as soon as it came back. I just haven't had a moment to get it online. It will be soon, however.
@Red Star @Karen Clark Well said. This is one area I really want to figure out a better way to keep the community updated.
Please do let us know what the outcome is, Karen.
@E It does actually say, ran in front of the driver, but I agree that's probably what was said and may not be the actual case.
Often the interviews are very one sided.
Drivers tend to only one in one direction when turning, which is one of the major reasons riding the wrong way is so dangerous.
@TucsonJanet Gosh. That would be good info. 7 a.m.
@Greta These tracks were ones they put in when they were redoing the Fourth Avenue underpass several years ago.
@CarolynAudilet Try it now.
@dirtybiker It's actually not that bad for the government. When you start to factor in the light itself, the utility modification to get electricity to it, the installation, traffic studies and regulations they have to meet it's not exorbitant. Maybe I have doing this long enough that the prices don't shock me anymore. When I first started, they certainly did.
@theahlilea @MarthaRetallick @Steve Wilson Yes there will be a real stoplight there.