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@DoriGinn @mochere The Lord removed my shame so I can help other women. It takes a lot more than that to stop me. My husband supports me and he is in a position of high rank in the military. I have given my testimony at our chapels at the bases where we have been stationed in order to help others. Before the bible study, I would never have been able to do that and had someone given their testimony, I would have been blushing and queasy and felt as if all eyes were on me. God's grace is truly amazing that His healing can take away this pain. It isn't the medicine that did this. Before, the med would deaden or neutralize until I saw something that would twist my insides again. The study brings true healing in an agape way, not in a scientific way, not in a counselor way, and until someone GOES THROUGH IT, they will not understand it, period. So, like I mentioned before, anymore rants should be ignored or answered with simple "internet troll, I'll pray for you." I can think of no other thing to do. Her postings are diverse (burned out pastors, native americans, politics, abortion, homosexuality, and others).
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@mochere @DoriGinn Absolutely right! I just got off an hour of internet searching and have come to the conclusion...Troll. Not in the story book fashion, but in the internet, stir up a fight, fashion. Many, many posts on all kinds of subjects. I think we all would do well to ignore. I just don't want newcomers to the page to be put off by her rantings.
@Elizabeth Levesque You don't get it, at all. Please take off the blinders, I pray of you. I am one of those that DOES see a mental professional (psychiatrist) although he doesn't know the the abortion part of my depression and anxiety (because it isn't the only reason). I am a military spouse and we move frequently, I did tell one psychologist I had to meet with weekly in order to get my anti-depressants and she wasn't a Christian and poo-poo'd my whole "asking for forgiveness" idea (I was attending the bible study at the time). She thought most of my problems stemmed from not being able to talk with my husband about things that made me mad. I thank God I am a strong woman in my faith and was able to shut her down quickly.
I will agree with you in one area and that is about the depression and seeing a doctor for that. My reason is this, not all depression is caused by the abortion. In my case, the abortion compounded it as well as post-partum depression never going away, it seemed. In the first ministry I was involved in, the leader kept telling me that when I was fully healed, I wouldn't need medication. I kept disagreeing with her because I come from a family history of bi-polar and anxiety, I was also finally diagnosed ADHD. When I look back at my childhood and teen years, I can see the pattern that set me up for my behavior. Maybe had I been treated at a younger age (I'm 48 now), I wouldn't be on this page at all). But I am. So...
Back to the gist of what Surrendering the Secret is about. It is a step by step program of going through and coming to terms with what we did. ACCEPTING that we murdered our children, getting it out of the back of our mind, dealing with it so it will quit festering and causing more infection. Of course, we wish we didn't do what we did. Before my bible study, I would see a billboard of a Pro-life baby in the womb and break out in a sweat, get nauseated, my pulse would quicken. FOR 20 YEARS THAT HAPPENED!!! I couldn't even hug my mom without feeling weird, kind of like, quick kiss and that's it, and I only saw her once a year. Why you ask? Because she was the one that talked me into the abortion and took me to the appointment. The bible study brought that out. Thank God for that because once I realized that, I was able to ask for forgiveness, forgive her and have a couple more years before the Lord took her home. THIS is what the study is about! Not all that evangelizing you are talking about. It is about giving women a chance to face their demon, cling to their Lord, ask and accept forgiveness, and be able to look at the empty place at the table and smile knowing that baby is with Jesus. And before you call fire and damnation down on me for even typing the word smile, remember to not cast judgment. I am at peace now. I do see a doctor, thank God for that as well, but the demons from my abortion are gone. That is what this is about. It isn't counseling in the way you are thinking it is, not at all. You are seeing the lives of a handful of women played out on TV. The ladies who lead these wonderful groups are smart enough to know when to suggest their participants seek out medical attention.
I do have some medical background as well as quite the journey into my faith. I think sometimes everyone, even the clergy, need to step back and reevaluate themselves. Or read Francine Rivers "As the Shofar Blew."
@Elizabeth Levesque @Pat Layton @Elizabeth, I don't think you realize that we DO own up to what we did to our children, each and every day. Not a day can go by where we don't (or didn't) beat ourselves up and choose whichever addiction you want to list to drown ourselves in order to escape. That is precisely what these post-abortion bible studies are designed for. They are not so that we can get away with what we have done. They are so we can come to terms with it and humble ourselves before our Savior and ask Him for help. We can't take it back. These bible studies are heart-wrenching in more ways than you will ever know. They are also healing in ways you obviously will never know. We do learn of forgiveness. We do learn that because of what we have done, we have become self-destructive. We also learn to become strong and lean on the Lord, not on unforgiving pastors, such as yourself. For those like you, we learn to pray for, because the enemy is working within you to turn something the Lord is working for good and make us doubt. However, we learn to discern and become strong as our faith grows again. Many of us were shunned from our families and our "loving" churches just as Christ was shunned from those He came to save. No he didn't have an abortion, in their eyes long ago, it was probably much worse. When I went through my first bible study in early 2000s, I had a almost literal "scales fall from eyes" about the forgiveness of Christ. I thought even though I believed in Him and did good through my church, I was still going to hell because I my abortion. I learned otherwise. How dare you come to a healing place such as this, as a pastor (now retired) and tell us otherwise? We know better. That is the enemy speaking. I'm pretty certain you are on a lot of prayer lists right now, your sisters included. The entire family needs healing. I pray God blesses you and your family with it.
@KnockTV Will do! Again, thank you for such a wonderful ministry! I had such hopes the ministry I have been supporting would be able to reach so many more people, but it just hasn't happened. I'll be emailing you! Praise God!!!
@Pat Layton @stssister Sounds wonderful!!! Thank you so much!
Praise God!! My friend and I have been praying for just this! We have been part of a ministry that does just this for a number of years, but it has branched out into many new directions. I am overjoyed that Focus on the Family and so many other sponsors are involved! The bible study our ministry developed truly washed the scales from my eyes; I had felt for years that I was destined for hell because of my abortion regardless of giving myself to Christ and believing in Him. I just didn't fell He would forgive me of such a sin. I still remember the awe and love I felt that moment when I finally accepted his forgiveness! Truly life-changing!!! How does one get involved with Surrender the Secret ministry? You may just be the answer to the other prayer! Thank you for what you are doing! I know my testimony has helped a few women, this program will reach so many more!